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submitted 5 days ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca

Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.

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[-] coacoamelky@lemm.ee 144 points 5 days ago

The good games don't need a high end GPU.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 21 points 5 days ago

Terraria minimum specs: "don't worry bro"

[-] overload@sopuli.xyz 24 points 5 days ago

Absolutely. True creative games are made by smaller dev teams that aren't forcing ray tracing and lifelike graphics. The new Indianna Jones game isn't a GPU-selling card, and is the only game that I've personally had poor performance on with my 3070ti at 1440p.

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[-] simple@piefed.social 48 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately gamers aren't the real target audience for new GPUs, it's AI bros. Even if nobody buys a 4090/5090 for gaming, they're always out of stock as LLM enthusiasts and small companies use them for AI.

[-] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago

Ex-fucking-actly!

Ajajaja, gamers are skipping. Yeah, they do. And yet 5090 is still somehow out of stock. No matter the price or state of gaming. We all know major tech went AI direction disregarding average Joe about either they want or not to go AI. The prices are not for gamers. The prices are for whales, AI companies and enthusiasts.

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[-] RedSnt@feddit.dk 1 points 2 days ago

It's like how banks figured there was more money in catering to the super rich and just shit all over the rest of us peasants, GPU manufacturers that got big because of gamers have now turned their backs to us to cater to the insane "AI" agenda.
Also, friendly advice, unless you need CUDA cores and you have to upgrade, try avoiding Nvidia.

Nvidia doesn’t really care about the high-end gamer demographic nearly as much as they used to, because it’s no longer their bread and butter. Nvidia’s cash cow at this point is supplying hardware for ML data centers. It’s an order of magnitude more lucrative than serving consumer + enthusiast market.

So my next card is probably gonna be an RX 9070XT.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

even the RX9070 is running around $900 USD, I cannot fathom affording even state-of-the-art gaming from years ago at this point. I am still using a GTX1660 and playing games from years ago I never got around to and having a grand time. Most adults I know are in the same boat and either not even considering upgrading their PC or they're playing their kid's console games.

Every year we say "Gonna look into upgrading" but every year prices go up and wages stay the same (or disappear entirely as private-equity ravages the business world, digesting every company that isn't also a private equity predator) and the prices of just living and eating are insane, so at this rate, a lot of us might start reading again.

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[-] chunes@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

I stopped maintaining a AAA-capable rig in 2016. I've been playing indies since and haven't felt left out whatsoever.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Don't worry, you haven't missed anything. Sure, the games are prettier, but most of them are designed and written more poorly than 99% of indie titles...

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[-] candyman337@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's just because I'm not impressed, like the raster performance bump for 1440p was just not worth the price jump at all. On top of that they have manufacturing issues and issues with their stupid 12 pin connector? And all the shit on the business side not providing drivers to reviewers etc. Fuuucccckk all that man. I'm waiting until AMD gets a little better with ray tracing and switching to team red.

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[-] bluesheep@lemm.ee 50 points 5 days ago

Paying Bills Takes Priority Over Chasing NVIDIA’s RTX 5090

Yeah no shit, what a weird fucking take

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 5 days ago

But why spend to ""eat food"" when you can have RAYTRACING!!!2

[-] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 22 points 5 days ago

I have a 3080 and am surviving lol. never had an issue

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago

Still running a 1080, between nvidia and windows 11 I think I'll stay where I am.

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[-] t_berium@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

I remember when High-end-GPUs were around 500 €.

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 54 points 5 days ago

For the price of one 5090 you could build 2-3 midrange gaming PCs lol. It's crazy that anyone would even consider buying it unless they're rich or actually need it for something important.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In the US, a new RTX 5090 currently costs $2899 at NewEgg, and has a max power draw of 575 watts.

(Lowest price I can find)

... That is a GPU, with roughly the cost and power usage of an entire, quite high end, gaming PC from 5 years ago... or even just a reasonably high end PC from right now.

...

The entire move to the realtime raytracing paradigm, which has enabled AAA game devs to get very sloppy with development by not really bothering to optimize any lighting, nor textures... which has necessitated the invention of intelligent temporal frame upscaling, and frame generation... the whole, originally advertised point of this all was to make hi fidelity 4k gaming an affordable reality.

This reality is a farce.

...

Meanwhile, if you jump down to 1440p, well, I've got a future build plan sitting in a NewEgg wishlist right now.

RX 9070 (220 W) + Minisforum BD795i SE (mobo + non removeable, high end AMD laptop CPU with performance comparable to a 9900X, but about half the wattage draw) ... so far my pretax total for the whole build is under $1500, and, while I need to double and triple check this, I think the math on the power draw works out to a 650 Watt power supply being all you'd need... potentially with enough room to also add in some extra internal HDD storage drives, ie, you've got leftover wattage headroom.

If you want to go a bit over the $1500 mark, you could fit this all in a console sized ITX case.

That is almost half the cost as the RTX 5090 alone, and will get you over 90fps in almost all modern games, with ultra settings at 1440p, though you will have to futz around with intelligent upscaling and frame gen if you want realtime raytracing as well with similar framerates, and realistically, probably wait another quarter or two for AMD driver support and FSR 4 to become a bit more mature and properly implemented in said games.

Or you could swap out for a maybe a 5070 (non TI, the TI is $1000 more) Nvidia card, but seeing as I'm making a linux gaming pc, you know, for the performance boost from not running Windows, AMD mesa drivers are where you wanna be.

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

Saved up for a couple of years and built the best (consumer grade) non nvidia PC I could, 9070XT, 9950X3D, 64gig of RAM. Pretty much top end everything that isn't Nvidia or just spamming redundant RAM for no reason. The whole thing still costs less than a single RTX 5090 and on average draws less power too.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 4 days ago

Uhhh, I went from a Radeon 1090 (or whatever they're called, it's an older numbering scheme from ~2010) to a Nvidia 780 to an Nvidia 3070 TI. Skipping upgrades is normal. Console games effectively do that as well. It's normal to not buy a GPU every year.

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[-] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Ah capitalism...

Endless infinite growth forever on a fragile and very much finite planet where wages are suppressed and most money is intentionally funneled into the coffers of a small handful of people who are already so wealthy that their descendants 5 generations down the line will still be some of the richest people on the planet.

[-] excral@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago

For me it's the GPU prices, stagnation of the technology (most performance gains come at the cost of stupid power draw) and importantly being fed up with AAA games. Most games I played recently were a couple years old, indie titles or a couple years old indie titles. And I don't need a high powered graphics card for that. I've been playing far more on my steam deck than my desktop PC, despite the latter having significantly more powerful hardware. You can't force fun through sheer hardware performance

[-] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I just looked up the price and I was "Yikes!". You can get a PS5 Pro + optional Blu-ray drive, Steam Deck OLED, Nintendo Switch 2 and still have plenty of money left to spend on games.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 days ago

My new gpu was a steam deck.

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[-] Throwaway4669332255@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

IT litterally costs $3000

Thats almost 4 time the cost of my 3090.

[-] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 18 points 5 days ago

I am tired of be treated like a fool. No more money for them.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago

I don't buy every generation and skip 1 if not 2. I have a 40xx series and will probably wait until the 70xx (I'm assumimg series naming here) before upgrading.

[-] kevinsbacon@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago

All I want is more VRAM, it can already play all the games I want.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

But with our new system we can make up 10x as many fake frames to cram between your real ones, giving you 2500 FPS! Isn't that awesome???

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think the Steam Deck can offer some perspective. If you look at the top games on SD it's like Baldurs Gate, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, etc., all games that run REALLY poorly. Gamers don't care that much.

[-] graham1@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

Colour me surprised

Resumes gaming with a 1000-series card

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[-] Demognomicon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I have a 4090. I don't see any reason to pay $4K+ for fake frames and a few % better performance. Maybe post Trump next gen and/or if prices become reasonable and cables stop melting.

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[-] ItsMrChristmas@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

GPU prices are what drove me back to consoles. It was time to overhaul my PC as it was getting painfully out of date. Video card alone was gonna be 700. Meanwhile a whole ass PS5 that plays the same games was 500.

It's been 2 years since and I don't regret it. I miss mods, but not nearly as much as I thought. It also SOOO nice to play multiplayer games without cheaters everywhere. I actually used to be one of those people who thought controllers gave an unfair advantage but... you can use a M/KB on PS5 and guess what? I do just fine! Turns out that the problem was never controllers, it was the cheaters.

But then there is that. The controller. Oh my lord it's so much more comfortable than even the best gaming mouse. I've done a complete 180 on this. So many game genres are just so terrible to play with M/KB that I now tell people whining about controller players this:

Use gaming equipment for gaming and leave office equipment in the office.

[-] Xenny@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Rimworld doesn't need a new gpu

[-] knightly@pawb.social 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What it needs is a new multi-threaded engine so I can actually use all these extra cores. XD

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[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

I've been waiting for a product that makes sense.

I'm still waiting. I can keep waiting

[-] arc99@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Not surprised. Many of these high end GPUs are bought not for gaming but for bitcoin mining and demand has driven prices beyond MSRP in some cases. Stupidly power hungry and overpriced.

My GPU which is an RTX2060 is getting a little long in the tooth and I'll hand it off to one of the kids for their PC but I need to find something that is a tangible performance improvement without costing eleventy stupid dollars. Nvidia seems to be lying a lot about the performance of that 5060 so I might look at AMD or Intel next time around. Probably need to replace my PSU while I'm at it.

[-] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 4 points 4 days ago

bitcoin mining

That's a thing of the past, not profitable anymore unless you use ASIC miners. Some people still GPU mine it on niche coins, but it's nowhere near the scale as it was during the bitcoin and ethereum craze a few years ago.

AI is driving up prices or rather, it's reducing availability, which then translates into higher prices.

Another thing is that board manufacturers, distributors and retailers have figured out that they can jack up GPU prices above MSRP and enough suckers will still buy them. They'll sell less volume but they'll make more profit per unit.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

My kid got the 2060, I bought a RX 6400, I don't need the hairy arms any more.

Then again I have become old and grumpy, playing old games.

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Hell, I'm still rocking with a GTX 950. It runs Left for Dead 2 and Team Fortress 2, what more do I need?

[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago

GTX 1060 6Gb still going strong!

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago

I bought my most expensive dream machine last year (when the RTX-4090 was still the best) and I am proud of it. I hope it'll be my right for at least 10 years.

But it was expensive.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 5 days ago

Still on a 1060 over here.

Sure, I may have to limit FFXIV to 30fps in summer to stop it crashing, but it still runs.

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[-] smeg@infosec.pub 15 points 5 days ago

Increasingly across many markets, companies are not targeting average or median consumers. They're only chasing whales, the people who can pay the premium. They've decided that more mid tier customers aren't worth it -- just chase the top. It also means a lower need for customer support.

[-] WereCat@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

The progress is just not there.

I've got RX 6800 XT for €400 in May 2023 which was at that point almost a 3y old card. Fastforward to today, the RX 9060 XT 16GB costs more and is still slower in raster. Only thing going for it is FSR4, better encoder and a bit better RT performance about which I couldn't care less about.

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