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[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 141 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Zionist Corporate media framing this as a "preemptive strike" is Orwellian bullshit.

[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 8 months ago

Trump got out of the Iranian nuclear deal in his first term specifically so either Israel and/or the USA would have a "reason" to attack and go to war.

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago

Why do you need "Zionist corporate" in that post? Any media calling this a "preemptive strike" are pushing a bs narrative.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Because corporate media in the West, especially the US and UK complies with Zionist talking points.

[-] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

And? What about non-Zionist non-corporate sources that back the same narrative? Would you see that as any different?

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Non corporate i.e. independent news tends to have clearer perspectives on the genocide and Zionism's malign influence in domestic and international politics

One example is not adopting Zionist talking points and perspectives (e.g. rapes, beheaded babies), without critical analysis or framing October 7th in the context of the Zionist regime's occupation of Palestine. Something Corporate media deliberately obfuscates.

Corporate media uses rhetorical shielding like the use of the passive "Palestinians killed in bombings" to avoid blaming Israel or "Hamas run health ministry" to discredit casualty reports.

Another issue is that they also fail to report what Israelis actually tell their people ("fighting human animals", "babies are targets") and rather rely on carefully scripted official responses in English.

Yet another issue is that they do not mention ICC arrest warrants on Netanyahu and Smotrich, or that Israel is on trial for genocide at the ICJ, or Indeed that western countries are ignoring the genocide convention which obliges them to sanction Israel and instead are actively arming and supporting it.

They omit so much given what's on social media and elsewhere that it has never been more obvious that Western media's role is to act as interlocutor and propagandist for the Empire.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 8 months ago

Irans going to invade by paragliders launched from Damavand!???!

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 51 points 8 months ago

Grok received a big "both sides" patch recently

[-] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

I wouldn't know I don't follow twitter. Just found it funny that someone asked it to explain in pirste speak

[-] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 8 months ago

They have the right to defend themselves, right?

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Me when the #1 terrorism sponsor doesn't get to have nukes:

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The US and Israel already has nukes, they don't need to get them

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago

The US is the #1 sponsor, not Israel

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Israel does an incredible amount of terrorism at the behest of the US

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

They’re the one being sponsored not the one sponsoring others

However as a UN recognized member they are committing war crimes not terrorism

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Israel is an extension of US foreign policy, it's much more than being sponsored by the US like Al Qaeda. Israel also does work with and sponsor the likes of ISIS and Al Qaeda. They are committing war crimes and terrorism, just as a state actor instead of a non-state actor

It doesn't seem like we're in any real disagreement here so it's all good, Free Palestine

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

just as a state actor instead of a non-state actor

This is the difference between these two

war crimes and terrorism

But we are in agreement

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[-] Strawberry 14 points 8 months ago

Huh? They have thousands of nukes

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 8 months ago
[-] Strawberry 2 points 8 months ago

And used them for the aforementioned terrorism

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Step 1: Accuse nation of having nukes

Step 2.1: If they do not have nukes, invade them and dont even apologise for the death of hundreds of thousands

Step 2.2: If they acquired nukes by the time you accused them, sanction them to shit and use media to turn the land into a dystopian hellscape akin to North Korea or worse

Step 3: Create puppet regime if they ever fall, replace leaders with those that support laissez-faire

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 8 months ago

Worked with Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, North Korea, they attempted it with China and now it is time for Iran

[-] elevenbones@piefed.social 4 points 8 months ago

usa does have nukes tho 😎

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[-] KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

Neither did the Palestinians.

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

I mean, they kinda did

they wanted to make WMDs first

[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Israel has been saying this about Iran since the 1990s. All the nuclear inspectors say that Iran is following the standards.

Edit: see below. Some very recent reporting shows that they may not have been compliant (they were before). We will probably need more evidence to determine if they recently were not.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 2 points 8 months ago

True, they did say that. But I'm not sure if we can fully trust them, seems like there may have been collusion with Israel. If someone knows more or has evidence of what the IAEA is claiming please let me know.

Source: https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/tehran-unravels-documents-revealing-secret-iaea--israel--col

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think you should revise your previous comment to put an asterisk to avoid losing credibility noted in your response to the other guy

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[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 8 months ago

Israel has a larger nuclear arsenal right now.

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[-] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Doesn't Iran regularly shoot missiles and drones at Israel? I'm not really up to speed but I'm sure there was something about an Iron Dome?

[-] LordPassionFruit@lemmy.ca 39 points 8 months ago

I might be wrong in this, but I'm pretty sure it's exceedingly rare for Iran to directly fire missiles at Israel, it's usually Iran-supplied proxies doing it (such as Hezbollah). It'd be like making the argument that anyone at war with a US backed nation/faction has a carte blanche to attack America

[-] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago

Two of them. Israel is fucking awful but that doesn't mean I'm going to support authoritarian Iran.

2024 Iranian strikes against Israel - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel

[-] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago

Iran said it was retaliation for the Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus on 1 April,[17] which killed two Iranian generals.

Iran claimed that the attack was an act of "self-defense"[19][20] in retaliation for Israel's assassinations of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, and IRGC general Abbas Nilforoushan.

Does it change anything if both of those attacks were after an Iranian embassy was bombed and an assassination in Iran's capital took place?

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[-] febra@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Right, so go on and support genocidal Israel, because it's soooo much better than authoritarian Iran.

[-] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago
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[-] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago

Brother, I have in laws in Iran. The regime is a brutal pile of dog turd, but at least they have the decency to just cultural genocide the kurds and not do an actual one.

They aren't the good guys, they are the smaller pile of shit.

[-] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Right, and that's an argument that could and should be made imo.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 8 months ago

No, that is the people Israel keeps in their concentration camp.

[-] Strawberry 15 points 8 months ago
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