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Doesn't Iran regularly shoot missiles and drones at Israel? I'm not really up to speed but I'm sure there was something about an Iron Dome?
I might be wrong in this, but I'm pretty sure it's exceedingly rare for Iran to directly fire missiles at Israel, it's usually Iran-supplied proxies doing it (such as Hezbollah). It'd be like making the argument that anyone at war with a US backed nation/faction has a carte blanche to attack America
Two of them. Israel is fucking awful but that doesn't mean I'm going to support authoritarian Iran.
2024 Iranian strikes against Israel - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel
Does it change anything if both of those attacks were after an Iranian embassy was bombed and an assassination in Iran's capital took place?
No, because apparently Israel is allowed to step over the territorial integrity and sovereignty of any country, conduct illegal assassinations wherever they deem fit, destroy diplomatic facilities protected under international law, and anyone that claims otherwise is a dirty antisemite, khamas, and needs to be killed with a two thousand pounds bomb along with their entire lineage.
Right, so go on and support genocidal Israel, because it's soooo much better than authoritarian Iran.
Huh? Both can be awful.
Both are awful, but playing the centrist here doesn't cut it. Picking indifference is pretty much the same as picking the imperialist side, aka it's the same as supporting Israel and the US but instead of cheering them on you just sit on the fence and watch.
For those of us that live in The West™ the only thing we can change is the things our governments can influence. Thus, the only change we can enact as a population for the situation in the Middle East is the change that takes form by pressuring our own governments (and thus pressuring allied US and allied Israel) into stopping the madness. Going out and about and moaning about Iran is just useless posturing that won't lead do anything. Our governments are already trying to destroy Iran as is, what does me moaning about whatever Iran does even change? It's still the same shit.
And besides that, it's not even our business to enact regime change in Iran. Let their own people deal with it however they see fit. We're not savior knights in shining armors going around and helping people anyway. We've seen what kind of shit our governments have stirred up in the Middle East and North Africa before. We've only made everything worse for the people there.
I actually think we agree.
Netanyahu and Khamenei are hateful men that use hate to hold on to power - each in their own way. They embody "Some of you are going to die but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make".
After about a year and a half of genocide in Gaza westerners were finally waking up and their leaders finally started to put pressure on Israel. Missiles in to Iran was a distraction and Khamenei took the bait - not because he is stupid but because he cares more about fanning nationalist flames in Iran than he does about the suffering people of Gaza.
Brother, I have in laws in Iran. The regime is a brutal pile of dog turd, but at least they have the decency to just cultural genocide the kurds and not do an actual one.
They aren't the good guys, they are the smaller pile of shit.
Right, and that's an argument that could and should be made imo.
No, that is the people Israel keeps in their concentration camp.
No