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China wants to ban clothes that 'hurt nation's feelings' (www.bbc.com)

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A draft law sparks debate with locals calling it excessive and questioning how it would be enforced.

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[-] QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz 70 points 2 years ago

I can't wait to see how that law will be interpreted! I guess they ban Winnie the Pooh T-shirts.

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 years ago

Protesters will have to move down the ladder even further by breathing in a seditious manner, before they ban that too.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 65 points 2 years ago

Fuck the CCP

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Using Winnie the poo’s dick

[-] OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 years ago

China is the Steven Segal of countries, a giant fat pussy.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago

Well, I better not go there with a West Taiwan shirt anytime soon.

Disappearing like I'm part of a private magic show run by Jeffrey Dahmer most certainly isn't on my bucket list.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 years ago

Nations don't have feelings!

[-] anewbeginning@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago

They’ve gone retarded…again.

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 30 points 2 years ago

If you could use another word, like "regressive", that would be a lot better.

[-] DLSchichtl@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

As an autistic person, I'll say that I personally don't have a problem with the word retard and jokingly call my self retarded.

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And that's fine, I don't mind people using the term about themselves really, but as someone with a very visible disability, I strongly oppose the use of it as a pejorative slur, because it's most regularly used by people who want me to be castrated (or worse) so that I don't reproduce and pass my "weak genes" to future generations. Perspective and all that.

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

Self-identification is valid, feel free. But using a term as an insult against others is not.

[-] DLSchichtl@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[-] Blake@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago

First of all, not only am I neurodiverse, I am also physical disabled, so if you think that you have some special power over this argument because of your identity or life experience, you’re totally wrong. You’re not in charge of tone-policing people who are opposing ableism.

The important thing here isn’t who has agency over which words, but whether or not your use of those words is harmful. No white person has ever really been victimised by the n-word, and therefore, they can’t really be hurt by it. Additionally, your example isn’t even what we’d think of as an insult. “You’re crazy” isn’t really a scathing remark unless it’s said in a certain way, and it’s way more often said in a playful or friendly context, like “wow, you’re working so hard, you’re crazy!”

If we cut deeper into what you’re saying (that identity is all that matters and that the n-word is fine to say if you have dark skin) then do you believe it would be acceptable for someone to say to someone else “You’re a horrible, disgusting n-word, go to hell”, for example? Would it matter what colour of skin either person had in that exchange?

Using the r-slur as an insult is harmful because it dehumanises people with disabilities. That’s the important thing, it’s nothing to do with semantics.

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[-] Blake@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

You started this by making your “gotcha” argument, all I did was explain why your argument doesn’t hold water. Instead of considering that you might have been wrong, instead you lash out in anger because your ego is in danger - and you accuse me of making people think that “we” are “crybabies” who will go into “meltdown”?

Take a deep breath, it’s okay to be wrong about things, I don’t think any less of you for that, and it’s a pretty natural response to become upset by it, made worse by rejection sensitivity, but it’s a really bad habit to fall into - try your best to stay level headed, and that way you can learn things instead of sticking your head in the sand.

But I want to make this very clear: I don’t speak for anyone but myself, and that’s enough - I don’t need your consent or your permission to try and make this world a better place for everyone and I don’t really care if you don’t approve or agree. I don’t care if people think I’m a wussy little sensitive baby, because the world I’m fighting for is an inclusive one, where people can be vulnerable without being worried about whether their masculinity will be called into question. And honestly, I think that’s a far greater strength than pretending it’s fine for people to use an ableist slur because I want to be the cool disabled kid. If you wanna do that, that’s your prerogative, but it’s some weak-ass uncle tom shit.

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[-] Blake@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You believe yourself better than others.

No, I don't at all. As I said elsewhere in this thread, I'm disabled, honestly, I find it hard to even consider myself the equal of others, but that's a problem I just have to deal with, I suppose.

You want all eyes on you

Definitely not, that's actually more like my worst nightmare. I'm not afraid to stand up for what I believe in, though.

You want to be seen as the god-king of political correctness

If you think politely asking people to choose a better, more descriptive word instead of using an ableist slur means that someone is acting like a god-king, I wonder what a god-emperor would do...

Otherwise you’d put your time quietly fighting real situations of ablism

Using ableist slurs is still ableism and it doesn't take much to oppose it. It took me about 10 seconds to write my argument.

you don’t get the recognition and notoriety for that

Ah yes, the 'notoriety' of someone whom politely suggests alternatives to using ableist slurs. I'm like a modern day Blackbeard.

You're quite the projectionist, by the way.

you think I’m getting upset, but I’m having a blast

Clearly, you're having such a blast. I definitely didn't trigger your emotional dysregulation because you tried to make a "logical" argument that fell apart as soon as anyone so much as looked at it. And you're definitely not trying to overcompensate by acting like you're just "trolling" and lying to yourself that what you're feeling is "fun" and not stress. This is exactly what I used to do, too. Get your ego under control, dude, you're smart and capable, you don't need to respond like this to every perceived slight. Trust me.

[-] merridew@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago

Well regarded.

[-] stellargmite@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Full Reeguard

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago

Redarted

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Retrograde

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

What is the difference between this and what the french do?

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago

The french have banned all religious iconography from educational institutions. Simple separation of church and state. This is different, and it's kind of obvious.

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago

Isn’t it kind of strange that French schools didn’t have a problem with religious iconography until recently?

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 years ago

It was introduced in 2004, so you may be right. This may be a case of "brown people bad".

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There isn't, both are plain old systemic oppression (generally mostly misogyny and/or queerphobia) disguised as "concern for the population", there to control and further marginalise.

(though, of course, fans of both China and France and/or haters of women, queers, and/or Muslims, would die on this hill trying to convince themselves otherwise)

[-] nestEggParrot@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

One is enforced countrywide under a vague law open for interpretation.

Other is for school children on school premises, clearly stating the articles of clothing not allowed.

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love how suxbears regard China as this perfect incredibly strong world power and china's all like "your shirt makes me cry and piss myself, if you wear that again I'll have to gulag you and give you the wall."

Wow such a strong government 😆

[-] kurumin@linux.community 2 points 2 years ago

And you believe in every single piece of propaganda you see online LOL

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yep, every single one. I don't believe in hyperbole or sarcasm.

Also, Donald Trump is a communist.

Nice account, so shiny and fresh.

[-] Reckless_Moose@ttrpg.network 12 points 2 years ago

So... Red T-shirt with yellow pants?

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

A draft law banning speech and dressing "detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people" has sparked debate in China.

The proposed legal changes also forbid "insulting, slandering or otherwise infringing upon the names of local heroes and martyrs" as well as vandalism of their memorial statues.

Would its presence in China also count as hurting national feelings," one user posted on Chinese Twitter-like platform Weibo.

She cited one case that drew headlines in China last year where a kimono-clad woman was detained in the city of Suzhou and accused of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" because she had worn the Japanese garment.

In March this year, police detained a woman donning a replica of a Japanese military uniform at a night market.

And earlier last month, people who wore rainbow print clothing were denied entry to a concert by Taiwanese singer Chang Hui-mei in Beijing.

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