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[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 121 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Biden had one (1) job. And that was to save the union from fascism. He misunderstood, appointed Merrick Fucking Sit On His Hands Garland because of vibes or some shit, and then fucked around. Now we are all finding out what it is like to live under fascism. Thanks Biden!

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago

Garland would have been on the Supreme Court if not for Trump, it was thought Garland would come after Trump for revenge over it...

Lol no

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[-] Susurrus@lemm.ee 34 points 5 days ago

As usual, mass propaganda turns the world black and white, and divides people exactly into two groups to make sure they never unite.

By the way, you can acknowledge that both sides are made up of the worst scum human history has ever seen and vote for the "lesser evil" at the same time! You don't have to, and you probably shouldn't let your vote influence your entire personality and/or belief system.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 12 points 5 days ago

Both sides can't be "the worst" if one is "the lesser evil".

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 74 points 6 days ago

Don't forget:

1-Enabled genocide against increasing opposition from his base. 2-Didn't go after Trump for treason. 3-Didn't go after price gouging, giving Trump a massive gift for his campaign. 4-Refused to step down despite clearly being unfit for a second term.

Biden did have a fair number of accomplishments during his term, but each one of these failures outweighs all of them combined.

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

Liberal voters liked Biden so much the emulated him by doing nothing to stop Trump.

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[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 56 points 6 days ago

Too bad Biden will be remembered for his greed and wanting a second term just to doom us to Trump's second term. All the good he did will be wiped out over the next 4 years.

[-] LordGimp@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago

Do not glorify Biden. Go back to Obama if you want an actual worthwhile role model. Biden was 110% on board with Bush in going to Iraq and spent the last 20 years of his career aggressively trying to break social security. Fuck boomer Biden.

[-] Kinperor@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I would say Obama is even worse than Biden as a role model to glorify.

You can draw a direct line between Obama's fellating of wall street and the rise to power of MAGA. He was elected on a mandate to punish the bankers and utterly failed at this task, he failed to enshrine Roe Vs Wade, and started a few wars. Combine this with other events like the management of Bernie Sanders' first attempt at the presidency, and you have a spectacularly inept democrat party that lost all credibility/appeal with swing voters.

Taking the current politics at face value, Trump would have 0 appeal if the democrats had a reasonable management of the border, if the democrats had actual economic politics instead of identity politics and didn't bend the knee to the military industrial complex as much as republicans did.

[-] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Which wars did Obama start?

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[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

At least he really pushed back against the ongoing genoci- oh wait, no, he did the opposite of that.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 39 points 6 days ago

Ironic since all of those bills were heavily cut down to gain "bipartisan" support and then Republicans still refused to vote for them, classic Democrat move. Kinda like how he gave up the race to Trump and then went on a photo tour with him like they're buddies (which is pretty massive evidence for the Uniparty theory imo).

[-] mofreak 33 points 6 days ago

He only did genocide like a smol bean 🥹

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Well, the other one actually did genocide like a big bean. Biden failed to do anything to stop it, Trump actively helped.
But both sides, amirite?

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 15 points 6 days ago

Biden sent some 18 billion dollars in weapons to Israel. He sanctioned the ICC for seeking to arrest Netanyahu. College protestors were beaten up by police and Zio-mobs with the support of Biden. Biden spread lies about beheaded babies on October 7 to justify the mass slaughter of Palestinian children.

Biden deliberately failed to secure a ceasefire when all it needed was a proper phone call. Meanwhile Trump managed that for two months. Biden is this deep in hell on genocide support that Trump so far performed better than him.

But when that was pointed out before the election people went on to defend genocide as somehow acceptable and God forbid demanding to stop it because then AIPAC and the Elon Musk Nazi salute fans from the ADL would have been pissed.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

I think selling them weapons and defending Israel from reprisal in criminal courts, and delegitimization of the call of a genocide is not “failing to stop it”, its full blown complicity. The only thing that i see that trump has done any different is attacking freedoms of speech and the right to assemble here to prevent people from protesting over our complicity in a genocide, though to bombed innocents in Gaza, that distinctions means very little.

[-] Redfeather@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Totally the same. Biden picked Deb Holland for head of DOI and attempted to make an earnest apology for the US's genocide of Natives via boarding schools.

Tronald Dump did exactly the same thing and cut $300 billion from food assistance that includes Indian country, which are basically third world countries with very little access to food, clean water, housing that isn't a makeshift sheet metal, or healthcare that could prevent life long disabilities and/or premature death.

[-] uriel238 29 points 6 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So there's two factors that gave Trump (barely) the election (all the battleground states were narrowly chosen)

One, I speculate and no one seems to be addressing, is the trillion-dollar far-right propaganda machine. FOX News, OANN, Michael Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan and so on. It's continuously pumping content out to the population telling them that liberals are all communists and women should all be tradwives. Also that everyone nonwhite or poor is a leech on the economy.

The other is the King Log vs. King Stork thing. In those industrialized nations where the left-side party is neoliberal (preserves the status quo), the far right parties get strong support. It was happening across Europe around when Trump got elected, though there's been a left-side push-back since, possibly due to Trump providing a visible example of who they don't want in office. Canada's economist / banker PM was elected due to Trump, we are pretty sure.

Biden was as right wing as they come in the Democratic party, and for 2020 the party's principals (who get their own votes) chose him, deciding that everyone else was too socialist for them. Biden was Biden (that is, an establishment neoliberal) with some efforts to appeal to the public. And then in 2024 he pulled out of the race, and Harris took over and in the last few months of campaigning appealed to less-nazi Republicans, which alienated her base.

The election was won by MAGA disciples voting only top ballot (for Trump and nothing else) and lost by low-information Democrats who weren't motivated or decided to send a message by failing to show.

Regardless, figuring out how he won is more important than figuring out how to get rid of him, because even if he dies, the GOP is going to churn out Secret Hitler after Secret Hitler, and the Democratic party, determined not to go left, is going to fall into irrelevance, just before they are imprisoned / killed as political enemies.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 days ago

lost by low-information Democrats

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[-] Ilixtze@lemm.ee 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I am not American, but I believe in the Biden side someone forgot to add "Genocide enabler"; And yeah I guess it goes on trump's side too. But I wonder if that affected the campaign trail.

[-] rhvg@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

There’s a difference between enabler and maximizer.

The dilemma is if most people understand trump would be a maximizer and don’t want it, Biden might be less an enabler.

Ultimately, American people as a whole are the real genocide enabler.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

There’s a difference between enabler and maximizer.

Yea, everyone knows. And it's a painful choice to make regardless of your decision. I resent the conditions that doom us to choose between a cop and a gangster.

[-] Ilixtze@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago

Trump was never going to stop any war, but I think the question is about the people who didn't vote. Maybe people don't see viable alternatives? Maybe people are hopeless over there? Why do I keep seeing more and more American immigrants in my country? Maybe people are running from something?

Again, I am a foreigner; But the way I see it; The American government seems very invested on the Genocide of the people of Gaza. On the other hand; The polls I keep seeing on the matter say that American citizens would rather have all that money spent on better healthcare than Giving Israel weapons to kill unarmed civilians.

Now this is just a thought, but maybe, just maybeeee, condemning the indiscriminate killing of those people and running on better healthcare might have improved their chances of winning.

Also maybe that contradiction of morality was a boon to the Republican party to exploit during the election. Like feeding on the hopelessness of a voter base that doesn't support all the decisions of what is supposed to be their party.

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[-] SayJess 14 points 6 days ago

There has not, and will likely never be, a US president who is not sympathetic to Israel. It’s just variations of support. Kamala would not have been any different than Biden.

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[-] nuko147@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago

Glorification of the badies, because the worst came to power...

[-] uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works 31 points 6 days ago

Biden was a great president

[-] piefood@feddit.online 27 points 6 days ago

He bombed children, screwed over the poor and working class, and backed a genocide. He was an average president, which is to say: A terrible president.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

He was an okay president

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Hey, that's not true! He failed to bring peace to the Middle East (which has been in a constant state of turmoil or imperialist occupation for one reason or another since the Romans took over Judea)!

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 25 points 6 days ago

Are you fucking kidding me? Go spread your historically illiterate (and very racist) misinformation elsewhere; the Middle East under the Ottoman empire was exceptionally stable before European imperialism wrecked the region.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My bad, apparently if the imperialism gets strong enough the region becomes stable. Good take-away, thanks for letting me know.

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[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 31 points 6 days ago

Post this on Facebook and watch your account get banned.

[-] Sunshine@piefed.social 29 points 6 days ago

It's really frustrating people dont want to recognize Biden's accomplishments.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 days ago

It isn't a great list considering the child tax credit was a provision of the american rescue plan, the pact act is a particularly small bill that targeted military veterans, and there's nothing past 2022.

Recognition of four accomplishments in two years gets buried quick by the inaction and inability of the following the next two.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

People have all their excuses lined up. I saw a lot of what I called "b b but why didn't he do everything, everywhere, all at once?"

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[-] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I guess it depends where you live 🇵🇸

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[-] Philosaraptor7@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago

Biden was lip stick on a pig. Trump is cutting a pig open.

[-] desktop_user 20 points 6 days ago

this makes trump look like a funny cartoon villain stealing candy from the elderly, rather than a nazi intentionally persecuting minorities.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 9 points 6 days ago

Biden boasted about having deported more people during his term than Trump did during his first term..

And then there also is the whole genocide thing and DNC people attacking minorities as stupid and disloyal for not having turned out for them any longer, showing what they really think of people who aren't white or upper class.

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[-] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

These comments make me realize just how many people don't really know their history.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

They both support their genocidal garrison state no questions asked.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 days ago

This isn't the fault of a corrupt politician .... or a corrupt political party ... or a corrupt opposition political party

It's the American people who just blinded accept all this, vote for it, don't question it and do as little as possible about it all and just live with it and hope that it all just goes away on its own.

[-] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago

The American people didn't blindly vote for this. Fox News (among others) has been brainwashing them for decades. Fox is the number one watched source of news. Republicans have also destroyed education and regulations to allow for people to be brainwashed.

It's not as simple as laziness.

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[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Genocide Joe is the liberal hero

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[-] Netux@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Slow fascism vs fast fascism. More money to cops, more drilling, more selling public land, more building a boarder wall, more genocide, more pardons for bad people, more keeping "permanent" tax cuts for the wealthy, more inability to actually make anything better ever.

At least with fast fascism some people are fighting back, but not hard enough to stop it.

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[-] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Why not add a third party here?

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago

Because there haven't been any 3rd party presidents :(

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[-] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 days ago

Yet both are enemies of the workers, play into opportunism, the vast majority of their policies are dictated by business donors and maintain the system that most of us can agree is killing the planet and people. Any minor concessions (that have already been repealed by the way, wonder how that works /s) might make things a little bit comfortable, but is essentially nothing in comparison.

Stop rallying behind the puppets of capitalists, look past the liberal abstraction to see things for what they really are even if media says otherwise.

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