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[-] Tin@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I'm Buddhist, and it's always struck me as odd that so many religious people require their text to be literally true.

If it were to be definitively proven that the person called Jesus Christ never existed as a historical person on earth, the various Christian churches and organizations would stop at nothing to attempt to discredit this. They would be furious.

On the other hand, if it were definitively proven that Siddartha Gautama, the person who will be called the Buddha, never existed as a historical person on earth, most Buddhists would find it interesting, probably even humorous, and would go on happily practicing Buddhism.

[-] hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

I went to Catholic school (in Canada) and was taught (by priests and nuns) that Christianity probably started as a mushroom cult, Jesus probably didn't exist but was a composite of various wandering prophets/lunatics wandering around about that time (apparently it's been a popular way for idle young men to pick up chicks for centuries), etc... The bible was taught as a (very flawed) historical document and not the literal "word of god" as it was decades before. Even services were performed as comforting archaic rituals rather than stodgy religious services. This was consistent across schools, and even the one that was the seat of a cardinal was no different.

The Catholic religion gets a lot of flack (and deservedly so!), but at least they recognize it's basically just ritualistic bullshit (in Canada at least). Looking back, I think they are just happy to have people in their weird shroomless mushroom cult.

[-] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

That's very interesting to me. I dont know anything about Buddhism, can you explain why Buddists wouldn't be affected much if they found out their relifious figure never existed? I think for christians it would be devastating because it would mean all the promises the bible makes wouldn't come true, like a rewarding after life for it's followers and a punishing afterlife for non-believers. FYI I'm athiest, but I find religion and it's verious practices to be fascinating.

[-] Tin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Because it's not about the person, it's about the Dharma, the teachings. Those exist with or without a historical Buddha, and that's what guides the practice.

Imagine that someone is showing you the moon by pointing at it. You want to look at the moon, not the finger. The Buddha is a finger pointing at the moon.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Enlightenment isn't about some mystical truth and seeing into the unknown. It's about stripping away the illusions that cloud the way we see this reality. Those stories about the Buddha are ways to illustrate some of those illusions and how others might have come to the realization. It doesn't matter if they really happened. A lot of them are so constructed that they are probably fake, at least to some degree.

One that really affected me was the 72 problems story (or some number lol, I only remember that it's not 99, because 99 problems is from that Jay-z song, but ultimately it doesn't matter how many problems "everyone has").

For the short version, a man goes to the Buddha because he heard he can help him with his problems. He complains about his farm not doing well, his wife nagging, his kids not respecting him, a whole slew of 72 or so problems, and for each one when he asks if the Buddha can help him with that, the Buddha tells him no. Finally he complains that he didn't help him with any problem and the Buddha says "everyone has 72 problems, but I can help you with your 73rd problem: the problem that you have problems. Problems are a fact of life, if you get so bent up about having problems, you're going to have a miserable life because there's always problems. Accept that the problems exist and you'll find peace." And then the guy was enlightened (in that specific aspect of life, since enlightenment isn't a global state but basically just means "learned a deep lesson").

I'd get annoyed at needing to deal with things. Still do sometimes; enlightenment isn't some magical state. But when I notice that that is bugging me, I just remember the 72 problems story and dismiss that 73rd problem from affecting my mood. Which also indirectly helps with the problems themselves, because if you're pissed about having to deal with stuff, you'll be less effective at dealing with them (especially if your mood rubs off on others or attracts trolls). It truly feels like understanding that enabled an easy mode on some aspects of life. If the whole story was made up, it doesn't undo that understanding or eliminate that easy mode.

Whereas I've known Christians who can't understand why atheists don't just go around murdering people because if they don't believe in the Bible, what's even the point of trying to be good?

[-] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I like that story a lot, it's a good reminder that we may not be able to change our circumstances but we can always change our attitude. So would you say Buddhism is more of a system of thought and less of a religion? Kinda like stoicism?

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

There is a mysticism angle to it with reincarnation and all that, I think something like a belief that you keep coming back until you can achieve true enlightenment or something like that. Imo that stuff is a nice idea but I'm agnostic overall, so my belief in that regard is "who knows?"

But I do really like the Buddhist philosophy and think it has a lot of value because it doesn't have to lean on the mystical side to work. It makes sense with or without any idea of heaven or nirvana. Enlightenment is worthwhile for its own sake.

I don't think Buddhism is unique in that regard. All religions have at least nuggets of valuable philosophy. My personal belief is that Buddhism is denser and broader than most when it comes to that, but I'm no religious scholar so it could just be a lack of knowledge of others.

IMO the best belief systems pick and choose values and lessons based on their own merit rather than having to take or leave the whole package. I also believe that anyone can evaluate those values, as long aa they are thoughtful, honest, and willing to challenge any and all aspects of them. Someone can be more wise than another, but anyone can get there eventually.

[-] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

You seem like a very emotionally intelligent person, and I respect you a lot. Thank you for sharing your beliefs with and worldview me. I think we would agree on more than we would differ.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the kind words, it feels good to be seen sometimes. You seem thoughtful yourself and I'm happy you asked that original question in good faith. The world would be a nicer place with more like you.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Because it doesn't change the message at all. And if you follow a religion because you agree with its teachings, does the source really matter??

If you read somewhere you should be kind to others for betterment of the society. You said "that makes sense, I'll do it from now onwards", and you later learn it was a fantasy story and wasn't talking about real life, would you stop being kind? Now replace that with not actively hurting people.

[-] peekingduck@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is why Christianity is so scummy. The only reason these shit heels “give back” is because they expect to he rewarded for it. Oh no, we can’t just be kind to be kind, we do it because we are promised something on the back end. Same energy and douchebags who record themselves donating to say the homeless. It’s all about what they get out of the transaction. A fucking pat on the back.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Even worse, in its effort to capture even the shittiest people, Christianity has created a loophole where its believers can deliberately be shitty while expecting everything to be ok if they confess and repent before the end. Like a divine "sorry you're upset with what I did".

[-] CXORA@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

Christianity's power rest on Jesus nature as God and human at the same time. Without that the theology would have to be very very different.

Reading the new testament would be informative on this front. It is not about philosophy or morals, it is about Jesus Christ as a specific individual one must suck up to.

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[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago

Actually there are many books of Spiderman which means there's more proof for Spiderman than there is for God.

[-] prole 4 points 3 days ago

And New York City is real, so that means Spiderman is real (this is literally the logic that some Christians use to defend the Bible)

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Also, there are now more Ikea catalogs published than the Bible, making Ikea the superior religion.

Since Ikea a famous for their meatballs, a part of the holy dish and body of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, our Holy Noodle is more real than the Christian god, or any other god.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Imagine picking up a copy of a copy of a copy of partial recreation of a blog entry about Spiderman existing in the year 4000, and having a long argument over whether Alain Robert, "The Human Spider" ever existed.

Imagine picking up a copy of William Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar" in the year 4000 and insisting "This guy couldn't have been real, either".

It's curious, because I rarely see this argument aimed at the Apostles - particularly John and Peter. There's just this tacit "They're liars, it never happened" subtext. No one is brave enough to challenge the entire history of a schism in the Jewish church two millennia ago. Or to consider the apocrypha or the gnostic texts or the plethora of splinter faiths that emerged from this singular moment.

These are things that seemingly happened independent of a non-existent person, without any identifiable precursors. It's like spilling a bunch of ink claiming Lincoln wasn't real without asking who won the presidency in 1860.

[-] uriel238 8 points 4 days ago

In Julius Caesar a clock strikes three, and while they had hours (a fraction of the daytime, not a standard unit) they didn't have mechanical clocks.

But then while we know what happened to Julius Caesar based on historical accounts, even chronicles were politicized, which is why we don't know of Julia the Elder boffed half of Rome or was just the victim of slander. (Dramatists prefer she did while academics assume she was virtuous). So we know some of the details of the mass assassination of Julius Caesar but we only know some of the general details, which allows a lot of latitude in period recreations.

Jesus existed according to academics (based on third party accounts) but he might have just been an anti-establishment activist or a failed apocalyptic prophet. Not only did Jerusalem have those by the dozen but so did most satellites from which Rome demanded tribute. The miracles and matching Jesus up to fit the prophesies came later. Also Pontius Pilate loved crucifixion and had execution teams on standby where it was considered elsewhere in Rome a dire sentence for the worst of offenders. Pilate was the Roman equivalent of a hanging judge, so it was super-easy for a malcontent in Jerusalem to end up on the cross.

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[-] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I haven't really heard that Jesus of Nazareth didn't exist as an argument against Christianity, just that he wasn't God and didn't to miracles/resurrection. There is a ton of exaggeration in all mythology texts, and some are just stories to illustrate a point. But of those that did have factual events, they are rarely a true telling.

Maybe some Israelites left Egypt during a particularly shitty time in Egypt. It is so easy to take a story of a smallish group of Israelites escaping slavery during a plague and being chased by some guards who gave up, and repeatedly embellish that story until God both hardened Pharaoh's heart and punished him for not doing right by His people (which number far more than could possibly have been living in Egypt at that time) by giving a series of plagues, and then wiping Pharaoh and his army out with a magical sea passage that closed on them. It's such a trope of all human storytelling it's been a joke for centuries.

Apply that to literally every story, think of the motivations behind those writing it, and you can get an amazing moral teacher becoming God.

But to the point of the meme, from the perspective of people in the future, there may have been a Peter Parker, but there's no reason to believe there was a Spider-man without more to go on than the comics. Likewise, religious texts.

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[-] Dicska@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Middle English: via Old French from ecclesiastical Latin biblia, from Greek (ta) biblia ‘(the) books’, from biblion ‘book’, originally a diminutive of biblos ‘papyrus, scroll’, of Semitic origin.

Little books. Booklets. Since both God and Spiderman have several books, they will have to play this out by arm wrestling or Parcheesi.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 66 points 4 days ago

I’d rather have Spider-Man as a guide for my morals than that genocidal freak they call God.

[-] zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

You could do a lot worse than Peter. "With great power, there must come great responsibility" is an adage to live by.

[-] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 9 points 4 days ago
  • Be God
  • Create humans
  • Wipe out almost all life off earth in a flood because you’re not happy with the result

Yup, that’s what I call responsibility.

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[-] abbiistabbii 7 points 3 days ago

Isn't Allah and God the same god?

[-] Blubber28@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Pretty much, but their believers get very upset if you tell them that

[-] abbiistabbii 7 points 3 days ago

Well the Christians do, in my experience the Muslims are like "yeah, duh".

[-] sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes

In arabic allah literally means god

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

Cthulhu definitely exists. He calls to me in my dreams.

Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!

[-] prole 4 points 3 days ago

At this point, I would welcome the cosmic horror of the Old Ones

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 4 days ago

At least cite Amazing Fantasy #15, heretic.

[-] Tillman@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

For some reason I find op citation funnier.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[-] kittenzrulz123 21 points 4 days ago

Proof that for every two Jewish people there are at least three opinions

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[-] Lembot_0002@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago

What, so Cthulhu isn't real? But I hear his voice. Who else could command me to torture and eat all those stupid noisy kids?

[-] Nikelui@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Shub-Niggurath, the All-Mother. Cthulhu does not have interest in pesky kids.

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[-] josefo@leminal.space 5 points 3 days ago

How hard would it actually be to write a sacred book from the ground up, following the same structure? I'm thinking in writing a cryptic book that could easily be interpreted in a lot of ways, but still feel like a real thing, and make another book series that cite it. Like Tolkien did with Elvish, but a book instead of a language.

[-] prole 12 points 3 days ago
[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago

The only difference between a religion and a cult, is the number of cultists.

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