But if no one has to struggle, how will we know who's beneath us??
Hint: we’re all at the bottom and there’s only another layer
Boomers still think fast-food jobs are part-time things that teenagers do for some pocket change. They literally do not grasp the idea that there are adults working there to pay rent and buy food.
They dont realize that teenagers dont even have jobs anymore mostly
look can we stop with the boomer crap? that is a myth and disproved so many times. lets work together instead of insulting whole generations of people we don't know
It's not a myth. If it wasn't so disgustingly true across the board I'd be in agreement. Class war over generational and all that, but I'll also call out the systems and people that are actively (STILL) shitting all over progress. Their generation is at fault in large part to why we're so utterly fucked and continue to be (see Reagan). The majority of our gov is run by geriatric fucks that refuse to align with their constituents and cling on to their positions until they're literally in wheel chairs. Those are fucking boomers. They're in charge still, and they're the ones holding the reins on voting in any iota of progress in any number of categories, one being minimum wage. Fuck them.
ok boomer
I cannot remember the last time I saw a high schooler working at a fast food joint.
Don't worry. With Republicans working hard to repeal child labor laws, you should see more in fast food and also in the mines soon!
Every food service place in my area fired their under-18 staff. Apparently it was a manager fad to declare minors "too much trouble" and so the only high schoolers I see are bagging groceries or camp counselors for little kids. My kids are 15 and want to start working but the best job in town that allows them is serving dinner and doing laundry at the fancy retirement community.
their con man idols tell them that the reason their lives are shitty is because of the mexicans, gays, black people, women, librarians, immigrants....everyone except the people who are literally paying them nothing and laughing at them for it.
and the people are all too happy to believe it
I think a lot about something i read somewhere - "you hate every piece of capitalism but won't connect the dots to see that's the picture".
I have this conversation with people all the time.
"McDonald's is a job for high schoolers, it's not a career!"
Then why are they open during school hours, and why do you go there during your lunch break, Gladys, when kids are "at school" and can't "flip burgers"?
Florida: Let's expand the work experience program to backfill immigrant labor!
If you work, you and your family should have their needs met, aka, we should all be able to help our community have all of our basic needs met
This same worker should also have capital F free health care a house or condo he and his family like or she and her family, or their family, yours or mine
This worker should be able to have paid leave, both vacation and sick.
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I’ll do you one better. If you exist you and your family should have their needs met. We have the ability to feed, provide medical care, and house everyone on the planet many times over yet we don’t. I’ll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why we don’t.
We should put the psychopaths that can't care about others in a reserve, where they can make their own hellscape, away from normal people.
So we can have a normal society without some insane psychopath arguing about healthcare, because he happens to not need it.
We will see who's society is better
We will see who’s society is better
Did you ever read "A libertarian walks into a bear"? It's a non-fiction book about a bunch of libertarians that moved to a small town, and used their new voting bloc to try to bring about their libertarian paradise. It went badly. There were bears.
The author points out how a nearby town that was otherwise very similar. It had prospered during the time libertarians were driving their town into the ground
Yes. Minimum wage is supposed to cover every basic living necessity at the very least - from rent to food to even a modest amount of leftover money meant for a bit of fun here and there. It's not supposed to allow a lavish lifestyle or allow one to eat at restaurants every day, obviously, but it should allow you to live modestly and support your household regardless of you living with others or alone.
So for these McDonald's overlords who live lavish livestyles thanks to the thankless work these workers put in, then why should they even work at a McDonald's in the first place? With inflation constantly rising and wages staying where they are someday even a McDonald's job won't be worth the hassle for the non-livable pitance of money they receive in return.
Down with overly rich billionaires living off other people's misery. If your business allows for you to live the most lavish and extravagant life while your workers barely have enough to make ends meet, you are not a successful businessperson, but a grifter to society and use your power to keep the status quo as it currently is. Flipping burgers on a McDonald's or working in garbage disposal are still essential jobs to serve society, and people are needed for them.
So they should still be properly valued and compensated as humans trying to live their lives while they supply the vital workforce for those same jobs - those positions have to be filled anyway and are of importance to society at large, so let's not pretend we don't need people for them and treat them like less-than-humans. Plain and simple - there's more than enough for the rich to still be rich and live their lavish lives while regular people maintain a satisfactory level of life, and no need to ghoulishly hoard all the wealth (in many cases through tax loopholes which should not be legal whatsoever) like they were gonna live eternally.
And no, I'm not a minimum wage worker, so with this I'm not advocating for myself, but for what's right for us as a society.
Right-wingers remind me of that meme template where the dog has the ball and it's going "Throw! No Take! Only throw!"
They want a thriving economy, but they don't want to pay people wages. No pay. Only spend.
That's the part I don't understand. Why do they not realize that if you give people enough money to pay living expenses and then some, they will spend more money. What is the point of having all the money stuck at the top? A thriving economy requires money to circulate, but its getting caught between the same handful of greedy assholes. And they seem to just want to make the problem worse. If they do that, the economy will collapse and then all that money will be worthless anyway.
If you think flipping burgers is easy, why aren’t you doing it yourself?
Pay all workers a living wage!
If a job at McDonald's doesn't pay your bills and groceries then who do you think would even do this job?
People who are already wealthy and do it just for the fun of flipping burgers?!
Maybe! I have long maintained that if I ever luck into being obscenely wealthy, I will absolutely open some manner of food service or retail establishment similar to those I've worked at in the past, but not give a fuck about turning a profit and make a cornerstone of my business telling off customers for being the rude, self-centered, and entitled little shits that so many of them are. I'll consider it a much needed public service.
They are trying to get us to accept the the new American Economic Paradigm that ALL households require at least two paychecks to exist, and 3 or 4 if you want to get ahead.
Of course, employers want us to be enslaved to them for our entire schedule, so they don't like us working second jobs or side hustle.
Time for Robin Hood economics (take from the rich, give to the poor).
People will point out that it makes more sense to punch up than to punch down but the later is significantly easier and better paid.
These is why the alt right pipeline for women is transphobia/TERF shit.
Sexism is real, lots of teenage girls and young women feel frustrated and powerless, but they get easy wins going after trans women. They can’t get Dobbs reversed, but forcing trans people to detransition is an explicit goal of conservative power structures. They get to feel like they “won” with that UK court ruling - that “women’s rights” were won by something that did nothing to actually meaningfully help women.
It's this, and it's also more than this: there has to be a limitation put on profit, a place at which the corporation achieves balance and success- enough to not feel the need to continually chip away at wages and working conditions or increasing enshittification in search of immediate short-term profits.
If enough profit is never enough, it will forever remain a constant battle between corporations and workers, and corporations and the public.
I'm chill with safety nets for poor people and regulations on large companies
what I consider far left is when people start saying that the govt should own everything and there shouldn't be private property. that's an extreme and I am against that.
edit: all of you downvoters are actually far left commies and I'm completely correct
I think it should come paired with a heavily unionised workforce, otherwise you end up like the UK where the minimum wage keeps going up, but salaries of people who were previously not on the minimum wage stay the same, so now everyone else is actually earning less because prices are rising but salaries are only rising at the top and bottom, eliminating the middle class entirely. A doctor is NOT a minimum wage job, and yet doctors in the UK are earning almost below the minimum wage, given the number of hours they actually work.
That is an issue, but it's still a better world than the one in which only two of the pay bands are making ends meet rather than all three.
In the US, people we have the same problem with college degree+ level jobs being underpaid, but people without them are just impoverished for life. And some of the ones with the college degree jobs too!
I washed dishes part time and afforded a crappy apartment and beer. In our neighborhood many of the houses are rented out by invitation homes. We never have a neighbor for long as there is a lot of turnover. It’s bullshit these companies can just take over the neighborhood.
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