These people would literally crucify Jesus again if he came back, even with absolute undeniable proof that's him.
even FASTER with absolute undeniable proof that's him
the catholic church is an institution that is rotten to its core, even when fascists hate the guy at the top
Appreciating that the Church will be anti-republican and leaning ever so slightly more into liberalism can exist alongside the Church’s history.
I’ll never be pro-religion, but we n ed to take a win when we can.
It’s all just fluff and disingenuous crap. Take the last one, Francis. He pretended to be soooo humble because he slept in a nice cottage still in the disgustingly opulent Vatican instead of the even nicer pope bedroom. As an absolute monarch he had the power to dismantle the entire system and give away the wealth to the previous victims of the church to make amends. But he didn’t. This one will say a bunch of nice stuff about migrants, but when the rubber hits the road nothing will change. And they’ll still force every one of their poor members to pay a 10% income tax while burying more gold in the Vatican.
he had the power to dismantle the entire system
One guy vs a globe of catholics? I realize he's supposed to be the voice of god and all, but... I just don't believe this.
So all those Catholics are just lying when they pledge their fealty, and they actually are willing to defy the voice of god? What a bunch of hypocrites.
Yes?
You've gotta think in terms of sociology. People aren't just pledging fealty to the voice of god; though they do submit themselves, it's still to a collective, social understanding of what they think being Catholic means.
Don't get me wrong, the Pope has a lot of social influence, but if he was too obviously antagonistic to his own role, I think a lot of people would make up some gobbledygook about this one being poisoned by satan and they would just take him out. The material interest of keeping the Catholic machine going is more valuable than strictly adhering to literally anything and everything this one guy might say.
As an analogy, you don't want to cool glass down too quickly because it will crack and shatter.
It's an old conservative scare-mongering line that's really cemented itself in the cultural consciousness - the idea that the pope is an absolute ruler and all catholics must do as he says was spread around (well, throughout all of history but specifically in the US) to turn people against JFK, a catholic. We can't have a catholic president, that'll put the pope in charge of the country!!
Reality is that the pope has a shitload of soft power and could start to implement reparations least at some level (and yeah, utterly dick move not to have done that, Frank...). Broad picture, canon law is beyond arcane and there's plenty of restrictions on the actual "money spending" powers of the papacy. The requirement for charity is probably the biggest one, but there's also the requirements for upkeep of the various shrines/churches/sites(?)/the holy see (obvs) as well as having to provide support for the many many agents of the church.
A book I was just reading told a story of how the Massachusetts church was trying for a long time to build more affordable housing, and basically got blocked out by NIMBYs and white patriarchy. So, given recent media, I’ve found them to sometimes be okay.
I don’t think we should be surprised their pro-zionists in the Bible Belt are psychopaths molesting children though.
It's weirdly cloying, right? Amid all the negative press, the catholic church is on the whole responsible for a shocking amount of good in the world. Personally, a catholic hospital waiving the cost of a (really extravagant) medical disaster is both the only reason I'm still alive and not living in crippling debt as a result. Sometimes they do, in fact practice what they preach, and that's awesome.
That ain't the big-c Church, though. Their socially regressive attitude alone has inflicted more harm than all the good they've ever done, and that's just one of the minor things they're responsible for. It's important to keep in mind that individuals doing good works don't represent the absurdly draconian institution they're a part of.
The capital R is very important in your comment.
Unfortunately really not a high bar.
Normal person: We should improve society somewhat.
MAGA: ~~Woke.~~ What is wrong with that person? Why are they aware of issues that we face as a society? We need to put a stop to this by voting for a guy who's never lived an ordinary day in his entire life.
If Nazis don't like something
It's probably worth supporting
Is that because he's not trump? Were there MAGAts who genuinely believed that trump even had a chance?!
Wait, never mind, of course MAGAts thought trump had a chance, they don't live in reality.
I think it's because on social media he has criticized Trump and vance
They really are weird little snowflakes, aren't they?
🌎👨🚀🔫👩🚀 Always have been
Tbf reality is a horrible place, especially now. Source: I live there
He has said some anti lgbt and anti feminist stuff. But also, he has said anti capitalist, pro worker's union, and pro immigration stuff.
So basically turning around the MAGA philosophy? They hate everything vaguely leftist, even if it's food for them. Like bicycle paths, renewable energy, unions, taxing the rich, universal healthcare, etc. Not really a good way of looking at things.
It must be a coincidence that all of the things on that list would be to the minor detriment of the wealth of billionaires and trillion-dollar companies if they were implemented
I generally agree that blindly hating without critical thinking what somebody supports is problematic, but the reasons for which they hate the pope are pretty fucking dumb. So 🤷
You can judge a man by his enemies.
Two shitty delusional cult leaders hate each other.
MAGAs have lost their souls and minds, if they ever had the latter. The whole Pope position is more than iffy, totally unnecessary and a relic of the past, a reminder of the times in which the Pope had lands and actual power (and much blood was shed making these people rich and using the name of God as an excuse). This pope might be, insha'Allah, a better human than every single red American, sure, but that's a very low bar, especially for a religious leader. The last Pope was loved by all and was an exception because he was a reasonable and moral man, not a politician in funny clothes.
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