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[-] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago

It was fun, having a leading character that was a lil unstable.

Janeway arguably went off the deep end a couple times, too.

[-] Madrigal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I’ve never forgiven her for murdering Tuvix.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tuvix was an accident and should have never existed in the first place while Tuvok and Neelix were real people. Janeway made a hard choice and then did the right thing by correcting the accident.

[-] Madrigal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Tuvok and Neelix were dead. A tragic accident, yes, but dead.

Tuvix was a living being who wanted - and had a right - to live. How he came to exist is irrelevant.

Janeway murdered an innocent living man to bring two dead man back to life.

[-] Nacktmull@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tuvok and Neelix were dead. A tragic accident, yes, but dead.

They were obviously both trapped inside of Tuvix as a result of a transporter malfunction. In Tuvix they were merged accidentally but they never stopped to exist, Tuvix was made out of them.

Tuvix was a living being who wanted - and had a right - to live. How he came to exist is irrelevant.

True, however - that did not diminish Tuvok´s and Neelix´s right to exist as individuals and as we know 2>1. The right to exist of two naturally born and socialized beings clearly outweights the right of one individual who came into sudden existence by splicing the two through a technological malfunction.

Janeway murdered an innocent living man to bring two dead man back to life.

No, they where never dead, they where just merged and luckily that could be corrected - for a high price but it was worth it. Let´s not omit that Tuvix was no natural being, he was never born, had no parents, no family, no history and no social life prior to the accident. If you think about it you have to admit that everything that made Tuvix - his genes, his face, his feelings and memories, everything - was not his but belonged to Tuvok and Neelix because it had been taken from them to create Tuvix. Everything Tuvix was belonged to Tuvok and Neelix and as the original owners they had a right to get back what had always been theirs.

[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Sisko is my favorite. I don't think it was going off the deep end as much as using the same strategy the US used by nuking Japan. Japan had no chance at that point and continuing conventional war would have been more costly in terms of lives lost and property damage. Using nukes crushed any hope they had of continuing the war and have their prideful government an out that preserves their ego.

In DS9, it sent the message that the federation is can and will annihilate the dominion to defend themselves and the god complex of the changelings was pure delusion.

[-] ClericalBlunt@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nuking two cities to save a theoretical number of people is evil. There is no excuse for the atomic bombing of Japan.

[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I don't like the phrase "no excuse". I'm a particularist. E.g. There is no excuse for shooting someone. Shooting a person actively shooting up an elementary school is fine in my book.

[-] ClericalBlunt@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying there is no excuse to ever bomb someone. I'm saying there is no excuse for this specific bombing. The bombs killed between 150,000 to 220,000 people, mostly civilians.

[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You may be right in that using nukes was the wrong call. IMO, it seems like it was the best of bad options.

Saying there is no excuse and you disagree with something are two different things. The phrase "no excuse" is saying you think it is objectively wrong in a way that sounds like it isn't just your opinion. I don't think you mean it that way, I'm just explaining why I really don't like that phrase.

As bad as the nukes were, the conventional bombing of Tokyo was probably worse. Over 100k civilians were killed with 1,000,000+ left homeless.

[-] halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The Intel Report on YouTube digs into this subject pretty well. I recommend giving it a listen/watch: https://youtu.be/xG4ks5f31Wg?si=iAv_tLpkgsE5WA9f

[-] Japan@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

@ClericalBlunt Yes. Japan so polite so clean. Dindu nuffing.

@GaiusGornicusCaesar @neanderthal

[-] Disgustoid@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago

I'm in the middle of my DS9 rewatch and totally forgot about the stark difference between Sisko hair and Sisko bald. I just watched the Homefront/Paradise Lost episodes and the episode where Eddington defects to the Maquis and watching Sisko go all badass and lose his shit was fantastic.

[-] FancyLad@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Bald Sisko's appearance is where the fun begins.

[-] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Sisko shaving his head was the DS9 version of growing the beard.

[-] visak@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Much as I like Avery Brooks, he never got a handle on the Sisko character until he shaved and went back to being Hawk but with a son. They should have let him do that from the beginning.

[-] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 6 points 1 year ago

You got so many memes coming out right now it's crazy!

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 1 year ago

Why do you think Worf was a little scared of Sisko?

[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Man was clearly delusional.

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