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Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony (literature.cafe)

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Alt Text: an image of Agent Smith from The Matrix with the following text superimposed, "1999 was described as being the peak of human civilization in 'The Matrix' and I laughed because that obviously wouldn't age well and then the next 25 years happened and I realized that yeah maybe the machines had a point."

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 192 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

When I heard that line I was like "Yeah, sure. We'll never have AI in my lifespan" and you know what? I was right.

What I wasn't expecting was for a bunch of tech bros to create an advanced chatbot and announce "Behold! We have created AI, let's have it do all of our thinking for us!" while the chatbot spits out buggy code and suggests mixing glue into your pizza sauce.

[-] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 37 points 5 days ago

I work in the gaming industry and every week I receive emails about how AI is gonna revolutionize my job and get sent to time wasting training about how to use Figma AI or other shit like that because it's the best thing ever according to HR... and it never is obviously.

At best, it's gonna make middle managing jobs easier but for devs like me, as long as the "AI" stays out of our engines and stays into the equivalent of cooperative vision boards, it does nothing for me. Not once have I tried to use it for it to turn actually useful. It's mediocre at best and I can't believe there are game devs that actually try to code with it, can't wait to see these hot garbage products come on the market.

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[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

AI is an umbrella term that covers many things we've already had for a long time, including things like machine learning. This is not a new definition of AI, it's always been this definition.

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[-] Nachtnebel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You're confusing AI and AGI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

AGI is what people mean, when they say "AI doesn't exist": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence

While AI is a program that can do a task associated with human intelligence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

AI is not supposed to be an artificial human being. AI just does a task that people associated with humans (before they readjusted the definition of intelligence after it being created).

A bot that plays chess is an AI.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

It used to be that AI was AI and then when AI was coopted by the stupid they had to come up qith AGI

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago

I have several books for the 90s about AI programming. AI have always mean any computer program written to "resemble" intelligence, from basic path finding to LLM.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago

Just like the Hoverboard.

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[-] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago

You're confusing AI and AGI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

While this can be a valuable clarification, it ignores the plain use history of the term AI, and demands that language change for our convenience.

Laypeople have always used "AI" to mean what scientists call "AGI".

Language is weird, and tech bros suck.

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[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago

You won't have general purpose true AI until it can actually think and reason, llm will never do that. At most they would be a way of interaction with an AI.

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 9 points 5 days ago

I genuinely do not understand these very obviously biased comments. By the very definition of AI, we have had it for decades, and suddenly people say we don't have it? I don't get it. Do you hate LLMs so much you want to change the entire definition for AI (and move it under AGI or something)? This feels unhinged, disconnected from reality, biases so strong it looks like delusions

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago

What is delusional is calling a token generator intelligent. These programs don't know what the input is, nor do they understand what they put out. They "know" that after this sequence of tokens, what a likely successive token is based on previously supplied data.

They understand nothing. They generate nothing new. They don't think. They are not intelligent.

They are very cool, very impressive and quite useful. But intelligent? Pffffffh

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago

Why is it so hard for you to understand word "artificial"? It seems like you even avoid it. Just like artificial everything, especially weed and flavours, it's not the real thing, and was never meant to be the real thing, and yet you're essentially an old man yelling at cloud because something is artificial and does not act like the real human intelligence

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[-] EldritchFeminity 3 points 4 days ago

This argument pre-dates the modern LLM by several decades. When the average person thinks of AI, they think of Star Wars or any of a myriad of other works of science fiction. Most people have never heard the term in any other context and so are offended by the implied comparison (in their understanding of the word) of LLM models as being equal to Data from Star Trek.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

When I heard that line I was like "Yeah, sure. We'll never have AI in my lifespan" and you know what? I was right.

Unless you just died or are about to, you can't really confidently make that statement.

There's no technical reason to think we won't in the next ~20-50 years. We may not, and there may be a technical reason why we can't, but the previous big technical hurdles were the amount of compute needed and that computers couldn't handle fuzzy pattern matching, but modern AI has effectively found a way of solving the pattern matching problem, and current large models like ChatGPT model more "neurons" than are in the human brain, let alone the power that will be available to them in 30 years.

[-] deranger@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 days ago

There's no technical reason to think we will in the next ~20-50 years, either.

[-] match@pawb.social 6 points 5 days ago

there's plenty of reason to believe that, whether we have it or not, some billionaire asshole is going to force you to believe and respect his corportate AI as if it's sentient (while simultaneously treating it like slave labor)

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 13 points 5 days ago

the previous big technical hurdles were the amount of compute needed and that computers couldn’t handle fuzzy pattern matching

Was it? I thought it was always about we haven't quite figure it out what thinking really is

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[-] 10001110101@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago

current large models like ChatGPT model more “neurons” than are in the human brain

I don't think that's true. Parameter counts are more akin to neural connections, and the human brain has something like 100 trillion connections.

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

There's no technical reason to think we won't in the next ~20-50 years

Other than that nobody has any idea how to go about it? The things called "AI" today are not precursors to AGI. The search for strong AI is still nowhere close to any breakthroughs.

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[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 8 points 5 days ago

I was surprised how poorly they still did as a chatbot vs ELIZA over after 50 years of potential progress and how revered they are in certain contexts.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375117569_Does_GPT-4_Pass_the_Turing_Test

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[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 54 points 5 days ago

unless you're queer. queerphobia was much more rampant back then.

[-] SkyeStarfall 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Interestingly enough though, the directors of the matrix are two trans women

But while yes, queerphobia was worse in some ways, it was also not as bad in others. For example, trans people didn't have the massive organized targeted attack back then. In many ways, things have gotten worse in this aspect too

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago

Question for the trans folk here: which time period was harder for you? Hostile ignorance or hostile attention?

[-] WhiteRabbit_33@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

During hostile ignorance:

I had to leave the state I grew up in to get into a place I could access medical care, get away from an unaccepting family, and get into a place I wasn't afraid of being attacked while transitioning (being visibly trans till HRT kicked in).
Trans panic was seen as more of a valid defence back then for killing trans people.
I think we were seen as more of a curiosity/fetish than people, but that's debatable since that's definitely still an issue.
People were more afraid of being visibly trans and finding community outside of forums was harder.
I was certain I'd lose my job when I inevitably had to come out and had prepared for it by saving up enough to get me through finding another job. I was amazed when that didn't happen and most of the company accepted me. I still had to deal with harassment that nowadays would probably get those people fired.

During hostile attention:

I had to leave my home due to the state no longer ignoring us and focusing on passing laws to make our lives more difficult.
I know a ton of trans people and have a stronger support network. Finding others is easier now.
Medical care is easier to get now if you aren't living in one of the states currently trying to ban HRT.
Parents seem a little more accepting but it's still divisive
I'm less afraid of the average person fucking with me in most areas of the US
I'm afraid of government attempts to round myself or loved ones up into camps within the next few years.

Generally, I prefer the visibility and broader social acceptance we have now. More people know about us, so more people hate us but way more people accept us. I see it as how being gay was in the aughts. More people were out and it was less of a big deal even though there was still a lot of hate crimes against gay people. Now it's way more accepted outside of ultra conservative areas. I'm hoping we are more accepted within a decade instead of being rounded up and killed en masse.

[-] KittyCat@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

It probably would depend on if they pass or not. If you fully pass 15-20 years ago probably was much easier in some regards.

[-] Lyra_Lycan 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I never experienced hostile ignorance but I do like to be left alone, so I'd vote ignorance over attention.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

I mean, Facebook is chatbot hell, with millions pulled in.

If that isn't the matrix, I dunno what is.

[-] prole 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's even worse, man... At least the robots in The Matrix weren't capitalists (I don't think... I honestly forget most of the Animatrix)

[-] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

They definitely weren't capitalist, lmao. They only wanted to make the perfect system. You could consider their quest for perfection "greed".

They didn't really have to try, though, they had a great system in place. Humans lived long enough for turnover and plenty of energy provided. That glitch was an issue, but contained. At least until someone decided to fall in love. Then the whole system failed.

Probably the realist part of the matrix.

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[-] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 days ago

We had passed the peak. Limp Bizkit was already popular. Every dude I know that loved that band is now a middle aged incel.

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 25 points 5 days ago

God,

thought they were cool.

haven't heard of them in decades, not until the new Devil May Cry in netflix. enjoyed the nostalgia.

now I'm afraid I've become a middle aged incel.

someone put me down before it gets worse, why am I suddenly interested in starting a podcast?

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[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Checks out. I lived through those times and see the same trend. Fuck that band was intolerable.

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[-] hopesdead@startrek.website 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You should read the duology (I’ve only read the first book) Monk and Robot, which is solopunk. The premise is that robots got tired of doing what they were built for, and decided to form a treaty with humans allowing them to wonder into the wild and live without human contact.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

The US is not all of civilization.

[-] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 48 points 5 days ago

The rise of authoritarianism and nationalism is happening in multiple countries like Hungary, Russia, China, and the U.S. Parties like AfD have grown in strength in the last 20 years, thanks in part to the ability of social media companies to prioritize "engagement" to enable them to make more money over societal health.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago

I think China and Russia are pretty far gone

Other countries we can still help save

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Life in China is immensely better now than it was in 1999, what are you talking about?

[-] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Weren't they welding doors shut on people during COVID?

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[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

The Matrix is based on Australia though...

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[-] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The further you get from the gold standard the worse life you'll have. Though you might have more social media and gadgets you'll have a smaller house and worse quality food/services, as everything is financialized through debt in a futile attempt to force the elderly who own all the assets to consume every greater amounts, as automation progressively decreases the costs and companies find more advanced ways to shrinkflate products.