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[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 233 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ICE walked into that courthouse without a judicial warrant - no judge authorized the attempted arrest of the defendant, who I might add voluntarily appeared for his court hearing.

This is the real threat, folks. This is one of many vicious cycles they want to start. Arrest immigrants at their own hearings, when they are already complying with the will of the state. Convince others not to show up to court, make them fear any and all interactions with the state, then accuse them of being fugitives and label all of them criminals by default.

An administrative warrant doesn't mean shit to a judge. She had every right to tell them to go talk to her boss, and in the meantime? She opened the back door.

That's it. That's the crime worthy of arresting a judge. A middle aged Milwaukee woman doing her goddamn job.

She opened a door and let the defendants - who had entered her courtroom legally and voluntarily - depart safely.

These are thugs, these are kidnappers, these are criminals. Obstructing ICE is NOT obstructing justice, because ICE is the one breaking laws and stripping away the rights of every American. They act without legal authority, they act without judicial approval, and they act without any regard for freedom, or rights, or basic human dignity.

It is the goddamn right and responsibility of every American to obstruct ICE at every opportunity, because there is no justice when Judges are forced to bow to them.

[-] supernight52@lemmy.world 195 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.*

Edit: The AP, as of 15 min ago has posted an update: "Dugan was taken into custody by the FBI on Friday morning on the courthouse grounds, according to U.S. Marshals Service spokesperson Brady McCarron. She appeared briefly in federal court in Milwaukee later Friday before being released from custody. Her next court appearance is May 15."

Thank goodness, she has been released- even if she is still going on trial for a trumped-up charge.

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

The problem with the MAGA/Nazi comparison is not that MAGA isn't as evil, it's that they're less competent.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

And why is that a problem? It sounds like a hindrance to them, which is a definite good thing.

[-] meco03211@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Stupid is not the same as harmless. They routinely harm themselves gleefully. They can't comprehend the full consequences of their own actions. That makes them dangerous.

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[-] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Loading my firearms as we speak

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[-] flandish@lemmy.world 158 points 1 week ago

Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 92 points 1 week ago

Senators, governors, and mayors of "sanctuaries" are going to be close behind.

[-] riskable@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago

Once the non-loyal judges are imprisoned, everyone else who isn't white and Republican will also be on the chopping block.

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[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 91 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't see any mention of a warrant.

Not that I'm surprised by that, but to say this is an "escalation" is an understatement.

This is a declaration of absolute power.

Edit: she was released on bond. Meaning a magistrate validated a warrant. Who signed the warrant?

Editl 2: Magistrate Dries did, yesterday. FBI Agent Lindsay Schloemer filed the complaint. Interestinginly Dugar wasn't the only judge who told the ICE officers to fuck off (in legal terms). She just told them then defendant and his attorney they could leave because ICE didn't have the correct warrant.

[-] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 89 points 1 week ago

This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they're being threatened with contempt.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that "revolution" will entail the United States' progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.

[-] smokin_shinobi@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Valhalla before El Salvador.

[-] wagesj45@fedia.io 28 points 1 week ago

you might be surprised. there are those who are very open about owning weapons, but there are just as many who do not flaunt what they're equipped with. there are still lots of reasons left-leaning people might own guns, like hunting, self defense, pure hobby shooting, etc. i think progressive people have been stereotyped as anti-gun because they tend to be anti-kids-getting-shot-in-school, but they're not quite the same thing.

it's possible progressive might be out-gunned, but it's by no means a guarantee.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Anarchist gun owner here. Yep. Granted mine are mostly WW1 era pieces of history and others are nerdy but yeah.. there are lefties out there who are properly legally licensed.

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[-] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago
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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 week ago

America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn't enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.

Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You're going to need it for what is coming.

[-] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 70 points 1 week ago

So they have arrested two judges. ICE and FBI are traitors.

[-] Catoblepas 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hey guys, it’s a really good sign when judges are getting arrested, right? Very normal and functioning country? 😬

[-] CherryBullets@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 week ago

First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I'm not a filthy immigrant.

Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.

Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.

Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!

And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.

  • A future MAGAT survivor.
[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

They would never admit it. They would say "and then they came for me, and I have no idea why"

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[-] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 55 points 1 week ago

I said this before…when the fuck do we rise up? Or are we going to sit in the pot and boil?

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

I blame the "fuck you got mine" mentality that's become ingrained in Americans. A revolution requires selflessness but Americans aren't equipped for that.

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[-] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago

I think you guys are going to sit and boil.

If you ask me, things should have started burning a few months ago.

[-] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately, this is a exactly what Trump wants. He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections. All of this is calculated.

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[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

Kinda hard when only 55% of people disapprove of your king.

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[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Where the hell have you been for the last few years? Americans won't do shit. The tech oligarchy and the facists have the population exactly where they want them to be, struggling and unable to take actions.

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[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

Trump’s Night of the long knives coming next

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 30 points 1 week ago

Oh thank God! I through the news was quiet today! So now we're arresting judges. Checks and balances go out the window. Now its just a clear dictatorship.

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[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like "how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?" "Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?" "Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?"

I'm sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?

Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it's impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.

For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but I don't know because these journalists aren't doing their damn jobs.

Don't get me wrong, in this case I'm pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn't the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.

But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: "One side said 'It's outrageous they arrested a judge', the other side said 'the administration won't accept judges breaking the law.' The judge may have been a democrat."

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[-] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 23 points 1 week ago

Hannah Dugan is a hero and a patriot

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

Increased danger to the public?

If dude was already out and about and minding his business, dude continuing to be out and about keeps the amount of danger just about the same.

[-] bamboo 19 points 1 week ago

He was also not out and about and minding his business, he was already in the courthouse in front of the judge. There was no danger to the public because he was at the courthouse. If anything, ICE created the danger by chasing him out of the courthouse and escalating the situation.

[-] bamboo 21 points 1 week ago

More info on the circumstances: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/23/ice-arrested-mexican-immigrant-after-hearing-before-judge-dugan/83233154007/

Last week's arrest marked at least the third time in recent months that federal immigration agents have come to the courthouse with arrest warrants. In March and early April, two people were arrested by ICE officials in the hallways of the courthouse.

Following the earlier arrests at the courthouse, county officials and stakeholders expressed concerns about the impact ICE's presence has on immigrants' accessing the justice system and other services at the courthouse.

"The last thing we want is to interfere with the legal process or sow doubt in those summoned to the courthouse about whether or not they will receive fair, impartial justice," Milwaukee County Executive David Crowley said at the time.

[-] formulaBonk@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

I know trumpers won’t ever hear about this or if they do it will be a completely twisted story and they’ll think the judge shot at the ice agents or something but the amount of mental effort it has to take to not see this as a tinpot dictator move is unbelievable. It’s hard to believe people this dumb walk among us and go to work and everything

Yeah this is pretty fucking blatant

[-] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago

"Judges? Where we're going, we won't need judges." *proceeds to fly away in the original Volkswagen*

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

It has started. It has been out of control for some time I can guess it will end badly for our American cousins and also the world.

[-] SuperEars@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

My local branch of the ICE Enforcement and Removal division is not answering calls. It rings and rings without end.

[-] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

So shoot first, ask questions later?

[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 14 points 1 week ago

Shoot first, ask questions never.

You want to ask questions? You get shot first

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