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[-] kehet@sopuli.xyz 27 points 3 days ago

It never ceases to amaze me how most users just ignore all settings and go with default values for everything.

App started showing lengthy and disrupting ads? I guess I'll just have to watch those. App now sends hurtful old memories? I guess I'll just suffer.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Oh this is wild to me too. I work IT support and we recently started swapping everyone to W11, and as soon as I upgraded mine I turned off all their ads, news/weather popups, Bing search garbage. When I ask people if they want help to get rid of it they're like "nah I'll just live with it" as if it wasn't the most distracting thing in the gd world.

[-] belit_deg@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

I don't find it surprising at all. The menus are often designed as kafka-esque with dark patterns all over, hiding toggles in submenu after submenu to make you go for the default setting (see privacy settings on facebook, notification settings on android). Then the app updates, the setting is somehow reverted, and you're back to square one. No wonder people give up.

[-] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

And even if you change the setting, they constantly re-enable it ("They didn't like it before, but they'll love it now that we added AI!!1") and then move the setting somewhere else

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Not on Windows 10 Mobile. It is setup to be easy to use but powerful. That is why I still use it.

[-] belit_deg@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Yes, there are exceptions (that's why I wrote "often";)

Windows mobile had a great UX, I still miss it today! I thought they dropped support for it years ago?

[-] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

nah my phone didn't always show me those a random update did that 😮‍💨

[-] fatalicus@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

This is apparently a feature that was enabled on my phone recently, because suddenly I got a notification about taking a look at the moments from the past.

When I opened it, it was a slideshow of beer I had uploaded to untappd...

Thanks for the reminder that I have no friends and was drinking alone.

[-] suite403@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I don't understand why the default isn't just from the camera. It's even more confusing when it wants to help you remember images you saved.

[-] chowdertailz@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Google photos will give me prompts like "selfies" or "2018." Very often it tries to do "golden hour" which should be dusk or dawn. When I actually actually check it I get photos of mostly what it should be but also get photos from when the PNW was on fire and my city looked like Venus or Mars...

[-] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Gotta love driving to work with the mexico/post-apocalyptic filter turned on.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

When I was in college some years ago I used to take a lot of pictures of the books and the exercises list I did to share with my colleagues. And now all my "memories" are a bunch of mathematics exercises, like remember 8 years ago when you were doing this integrals?

[-] QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

But I love this feature.

Is it universally hated or something like that? I had no idea.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It hurts when it decides to show you photos of dead pets, or people that you've had a falling-out with. Sometimes, sweet memories can come from it. But other times, it's a punch to the gut.

[-] QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago

I see. Now that I think about this, it wasn't so nice for the first year afer breaking up with my ex. Still, I enjoyed it before and now I enjoy again.

Thanks for the explanation!

I'm glad it makes sense. I'm sorry people are downvoting you for having a different opinion and/or for daring to ask a question about something you don't understand.

[-] desktop_user 4 points 3 days ago

I find the feature hilarious, admittedly this is mostly because I almost never use my phones camera so it tries to use memes or anime screenshots/art to do its job.

this leads to interesting results such as nightscape (shows picture I took of a burning building), clothes (shows furry porn), dog (image of Junko), cat (same image), sports (music videos)

[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

i'm convinced these machines are specifically designed to make people more miserable and dependent on more bad tech

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

miserable

I dunno, I’m on good terms with ex-girlfriends and photos of departed loved ones are OK by me…

dependent

Oof yes

Also miserable is fine too if someone makes a buck 😉

[-] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

one of the byproducts of my insomnia is that i get to fuck with aussies and kiwis. got to say they've yet to let me down.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Get off the train. A Pixel setup with Graphene OS never has such nonsense features. I even fully control my own notifications. A 2 year old device still has 2 days of battery life with lots of use, and I have no bloatware at all. It isn't like some difficult techie thing either. Updates are secure, automatic, and over the air.

[-] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

It's a shame that you still have to support Google by buying their phones to be able to use Graphene OS. I hope one day they'll support fairphone.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

It is not about that. The pixel has a TPM chip (Trusted Protection Module). This is similar to how secure boot works in desktop computers. It is a special external chip that has a secret internal cryptographic key that can never be accessed by anyone. This chip can be used to create secured communications between devices. This is how it is possible to do over the air updates securely and how the device's security can be checked with a special app and an external device like an old Graphene phone. All files on the device can be hashed with the secret key to determine of they have been changed. Other phones do not include a TPM chip and this is the primary reason they cannot be supported directly by Graphene.

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

...and this is the primary reason they cannot be supported directly by Graphene.

This is phrased like a technical boundary. They are not supported because Graphene chooses not to support them. Not to say it would be easy, but they are making a choice to solely use Google's hardware.

They don't have to.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Awesome. No (minimal at least) big adware tech for you!

Bummer app compatibility isn’t a guarantee but besides banks does everything work?

e: typo

[-] bpev@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I have been using Graphene until last month (temporarily off it because my phone picked a fight with a rock and lost). So just going off memory. But compatibility is in a much better place these days. I don't recall having had any compatibility issues besides banking apps and "pay with phone nfc" over the last few years.

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

I need to get on this train

[-] VeganCheesecake 3 points 3 days ago

Show me a Pixel with two days of battery life with heavy use. My 8a lasts about a day, sometimes less. Similar reports for a friends 8a and my brother's 7a.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

My 6a does.

The trick is that, on my second Graphene phone I put it on Graphene from the start, never installed or used anything else on the device or even allowed it access to the internet. I also gave into the advice to try to avoid external apps whenever possible. I have a few odds and ends installed but not nearly as many as people have been trained to do for normalized stalkerware exploitation. Signal is my only continuous battery draining background app. I do everything in the vanadium browser like with Lemmy. The only other regular internet connected app is Pipe pipe and I do not use any scheduled background stuff with it.

I only allow WiFi data most of the time and my network is exclusive to my devices with a whitelist firewall on a dedicated device. Cookies and trackers are not just blocked by Ad Block on my network. I'm blocking tons of extra background nonsense everywhere on the internet, so these things never reach my devices.

For instance every time you see the social network icons at the bottom of a webpage, those are embedded links to those services hosting those images. You are actually visiting all of those places and retrieving those tiny images while giving them your fingerprinting information. They know every page you visited and how long it took between pages. All of that is tracked. Most pages try to use google static for fonts on their pages, which is doing the exact same thing. But, when the google static server is blocked the page will default to your system font and there is not any real difference unless they are using really odd special characters like rare symbols or super rare emojis in Unicode. Like I have almost all languages to the point of Egyptian hieroglyphs and cuneiform, so I never see bad characters in practice.

When I visit a website, I am only visiting the sever I whitelisted. It is a pain in the ass to manually whitelist everything I want to visit, but I have been doing it for years after some sketchy stuff happened while I was building breadboard computer stuff and downloading vintage hardware PDF datasheets from 3rd party sources. Anything I download is unable to dial out to any address unless it is whitelisted on my network. I can also write code that is sketchy and I don't need to worry about it doing dumb stuff like nmap'ing the whole internet. Or like now playing with offline AI running on my hardware, I do not need to worry about a model agent doing something dumb, or nefarious stuff that may be hidden and undetectable in a fine tuned model.

Anyways, I don't do it for the battery life, but the battery life is a bonus side effect. I also do not shop or make purchases on this device or network. This is for social, YT, and news stuff only. These are partitioned so I can take absolute control over my spending habits and break any direct link between these areas and purchase tracking. This partition stopped me from making frivolous purchases.

Graphene is just one part of my strategy, but an important one. Graphene does much to limit the background junk on Android's zygote app preloading system that only really exists for stalkerware junk. It was supposed to be for faster app loading but the difference in time is far less than the speed of human persistence of vision.

[-] VeganCheesecake 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Makes sense, but with that setup, a different custom rom on a phone with better life would deliver even better results.

I like my pixel, I like Graphene, but I still feel battery is a weak point.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The way root is managed and the security of OTA updates along with the demonstrated knowledge of how Android users groups and SELinux effectively work are far superior to anything else I have seen in any ROM that I have run previously. Most others were little more than novel demonstrations of CVE vulnerability exploits and setups intended for oddball extra use cases and not a primary device in their implementation. Graphene is a legitimate ongoing secured solution well worth supporting. The TPM chip is a huge deal here.

[-] VeganCheesecake 3 points 3 days ago

Sure, that's why I use it. My point was more that improved battery performance, at least to that degree, is a your-specific-usecase thing, not a Graphene thing.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

If vanadium was like a typical chromium browser, I'd still be burning battery. Vanadium is core to Graphene. It is part of webview which is how basically everything works on the device. Someone explained it to me a few years ago, bit I don't totally understand it. I got bad/typical battery life with a 4a and Firefox derivatives for privacy. It was only after I went to vanadium for everything that my battery life went much longer. Like, right now, I've had a bad health day so on my phone more than normal. It is 10:30 pm and I'm at 55% battery. I've watched around 2 hours of YT, played a few dozen rounds of Gauguin, read a few articles and spent a few hours on Lemmy today.

I default to 480p video with webp and I turn off my router's 2.4G and only use 5G. I'm also using auto reboot stuff in Graphene to clear anything in persistent memory and the same in the router. Those also help with battery.

It isn't just the network, and it isn't just Graphene, but it all plays a part.

The way Graphene does root is what actually sold me. Having root generally available on any android device is insane. Tethering root to USB debug is a great solution when combined with the TPM, OTA, and the Auth app.

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 3 points 3 days ago

I don't know what this means. What phone has this feature?

[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Windows 10 Mobile. I get them everyday.

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's a windows 10 mobile?!

Oh, apparently you and 0.01% of the market

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