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[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 368 points 3 weeks ago

If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn't.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 134 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 191 points 3 weeks ago

I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.

Obviously she's not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn't deserve pity.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 58 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you

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[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 weeks ago

If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.

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[-] mystik@lemmy.world 213 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what's gonna win the votes

[-] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 112 points 3 weeks ago

"We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!"

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[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 30 points 3 weeks ago

I will vote for AOC with pride. But I'm leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.

That said, I can't think of anyone I'd be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don't know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 56 points 3 weeks ago

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There's no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don't see it as a big deal.

Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That's what Obama promised, that's why Sanders would've won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 199 points 3 weeks ago

I'm shocked that Harris is in first place...

[-] Liberteez@lemm.ee 63 points 3 weeks ago

I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 37 points 3 weeks ago

Not so sure about that, I knew who Cortez was years before I recognized Harris and I'm not in either of their districts.

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[-] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not,

I'm genuinely skeptical that most polls are an accurate sampling of the population. Most people I know would never sit through a phone poll. Most polls reek of phishing. One of the very first phone polls said that Dewy would beat Truman in a landslide. It was completely wrong because it was predominantly rich people who had the phones to even answer the polls.

Who has the time for polls? Who drops by the candidate booths at the state fair? It's a type for sure.

The only poll I have been a part of all last year was a phone poll entirely about optometrists and eye appointments and how they should be handled in the healthcare system. I couldn't even finish it because the entire things was just... painful to go through.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 185 points 3 weeks ago

The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago

The fact that's she's leading in the polls is fucking crazy

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 weeks ago

The worse the republicans screw up, the more the Democrats are convinced they don't need to change. I don't think Kamala is going to end up on the ticket. I think the democratic establishment is going to push Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or something dumb like that.

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[-] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 126 points 3 weeks ago

Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.

Nobody wants this person to run again.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That's not to imply she's a good choice, only that she's an obvious choice.

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[-] Wilco@lemm.ee 92 points 3 weeks ago

The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.

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[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 83 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.

Edit: upon reading the article (I know...) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.

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[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 78 points 3 weeks ago

Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?

[-] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago

They're going to fuck us again. They thrive on failure. Weaponized ineptitude.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 3 weeks ago

Fucking morons never learn.

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[-] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago

Running Harris was a mistake in 2024 and it would be a mistake if it happens in 2028

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[-] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 59 points 3 weeks ago

Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.

I'm so tired.

[-] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago

yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala "keep arming isreal" fucking harris again.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago
  1. Stop with this shit. It's 2025. This is stupid.

  2. Women can't be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing. If you want to win, find another candidate with a dick. That's a requirement in America. Not saying I like it. Just saying that's reality.

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[-] drascus@sh.itjust.works 48 points 3 weeks ago

so people think that AOC or Harris is going to win in this very racist/sexist country we are in? Guess it will be Trump again.

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[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago

Who the fuck is thinking about 2028?!? I'm just trying to get out of 2024 alive.

[-] burgermeister@lemm.ee 48 points 3 weeks ago

I'd vote for AOC over Kamala, 100%.

I mean, I still voted for Kamala, but I wasn't excited about it.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 45 points 3 weeks ago

No deets on methodology. “Of Democrats”. How many? Where? Registered Dems? Likely voters? 2024 voters?

It matters greatly. In the primaries, Obama was invisible to pollsters that were only looking at prior Dem voters. His support came mostly from first-timers and independents.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago

You guys still think there will be free elections in 2028?

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[-] AnguishedNarwhal@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 3 weeks ago

I hope we actually get a 2028 election

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[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago

What shock? AOC is the only one in that party with clear positioning

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[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck Harris, we have no more time for right wing "liberals." She needs to get the fuck out of the way and progressives need to take charge

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 36 points 3 weeks ago

If only your drmocrat handlers let you vote for who you want and not for who they choose.

[-] Tetragrade@leminal.space 36 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] NovaOG@lemm.ee 36 points 3 weeks ago

Why does the Democratic party have a hard on for running failed politicians? Kamala lost, let others step up. AOC would do great in the Dem Primaries

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 weeks ago

I will be shocked if the Dem establishment doesn't run Newsom and do their damndest to ratfuck AOC like they did with Bernie.

Sure, there's a lot of time between now and a theoretical 2028 presidential cycle...

But I have learned to set expectations pessimistically and be surprised in the optimism direction, not the other way around.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago

Cory Booker talked all that time for nothing

[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

I’ll take it over the other folks on Capitol Hill that are doing absolutely nothing. People need to make noise.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah okay pack it in boys, we're screwed lol.

Why even bother to run a primary at this point? Just let the DNC select their candidate so we can skip out on the 6 months of sham and shilling.

spoilerAlso told all yall we need progressives to split from DNC and form a fresh 3rd party bruh.

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[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

At this early stage when there isn't an obvious choice (like an incumbent or VP), this is really a measure of name recognition more than anything.

I don't know what the field is going to look like when the primaries roll around, but I highly doubt that Kamala will make it anywhere near the nomination again. She had her chance, she's extremely unlikely to get another one. The last time a Democrat got the nomination a second time after a loss was Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and he only got it because most of the other possible candidates stayed out of the race because they expected Eisenhower to win in a landslide.

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