there's a difference between cynical and defeated, you know. some of you act like you've given up. i don't want those people for allies. just fucking leave the country or go back to playing video games, because you're doing exactly what they want you to do.
Yeah and obeying in advance, its pathetic
Alternatively, the government must provide the name of the person or people who chose not to halt Alien Enemies Act deportations out of the U.S. despite his order — and Boasberg said he would refer them for prosecution.
Betting pool is open! Who do we think Drump and Co are going to throw under the bus this time?
No one. No need. Just ignore the court like he always has. Fucking joke.
Can't they just claim it's an "official act?"
That ONLY protects the president, and only from crimes he commits as official acts.
Now, we all know the mental gymnastics the GOP can do are impressive, but ignoring a court order is not an official act.
The deportation itself? That's the act that he's immune from.
The bigger deal is that this immunity protection does not extend to the President's minions and officials.
Trump is never going to round up the prisoners and fly the plane to El Salvador all by himself. He's got people to do that, and those people can be served with court orders and criminal contempt process.
The immunity ruling also retained determination of an act to be official up to the courts.
It's meant to deter the "only following orders" Nazi defense.
In theory there should be checks and balances which prevent anything absurdly fascist, it's expected that it would be halted before it happens, but I suspect those who wrote this into the Constitution didn't count on the level of fascism we're seeing now.
We'll see how it works out.
That’s not entirely accurate. His immunity for “official acts of the office of the President” is to be determined by the presiding judge. An “official act” has yet to be defined, and there is nothing written about charges. He can and should be charged as well, so we can begin to define the limits of his immunity. Refusing to challenge it in fear that it will be overturned, is exactly what he’s hoping for.
My money is on martial law, and the summary removal or execution of Boasberg.
Wish I was being sarcastic, but the odds of martial law or war being declared on Hitler's birthday - the 20th, are far too likely for my taste. It would be within Trump's character to simply murder his foes, regardless of their place in society.
Wait, Hitler was born on weed day? How much better would the world have been if he had gotten into weed instead of coke and amphetamines?
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No one. He will just start dealing out pardons like it's a poker game. The US Justice System is dead.
Then do it!
They are
"Just another week to get their ducks in a row, and Garland is gonna DROP THE HAMMER!"
They're always "doing" the thing. Still waiting for a thing to get done.
People are understandably pessimistic but Trump is playing too fast and stupid. He's juggling about a dozen knives right now. It's not sustainable.
At this point you have to say his strategy for dealing with legal problems is flawless. Pretty much just delay and ignore.
Honestly, the law isn't going to curb this shit show, it's foolish to think that it is.
I keep pushing back on this sentiment because I think it's wrong.
Even if it is inevitable that he will win in court, it's still worth fighting every step of the way:
I'm not going to comply in advance. I'm fighting every step of the way, because even if he beats me every time, his unforced errors as he does so will still jeopardize his power.
Trump has been “playing too fast and stupid” since 2016 and has faced zero material consequences. This will not change now. Like have you been in a cave this entire time?
Who is going to hold the executive branch accountable? If they ignore the courts there is no one to hold them accountable.
I am beginning to realize how inadequate the education people received in the US are.
Both the Legislator and Judicial have the authority to deputize to make arrests in determination of contempt.
The "sperate but equal" has meaning to it. The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent "enforcement."
I'm beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
In my call yesterday to my reps I asked them to help the judicial in enlisting marshals to go arrest trump.
Edit: Adding https://5calls.org/ for visibility.
This link is AMAZING. I will share this far and wide.
I've wished for something like this each time I picked up the goddamn phone to call my goddamn representative and stumbled through my statement. I've called a few times, good on me, but it was awful. Inept phone-users unite! We too can call our reps!
The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent “enforcement.”
In no way shape or form is that a "Republican" problem. Democrats have been happily handing ever more power to the Executive for decades. As I've said in other places this is a symptom of Congress members being more worried about re-election and campaign donations than handling the business of the nation.
I’m beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
I graduated in '91 from a town in the MidWest with about 30,000 people. We covered "separate but equal". I tire of people blaming the education system when in reality most people are ignorant by choice.
If the Marshall Service does not enforce contempt, it is possible for the courts to appoint others to enforce for them if they are willing to do so. It would be unprecedented, but well within the bounds of what the law states
The rule begins in section (a) by instructing that, as a general matter, process “must be served by a United States marshal or deputy marshal or by a person specially appointed for that purpose.”
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Thus, by its plain terms, Rule 4.1 contemplates that the court may appoint individuals other than the marshals to enforce civil contempt orders.
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Even a rogue marshal’s service, in other words, is not an insurmountable obstacle to courts enforcing the rule of law. If courts have the courage, the legal tools are there.
This is good to know. I will assume that those in power will take action. Whew! /s
I feel like there's a weird number of people here who are rooting against the boring legalese solution to this problem.
I don't think it's weird - we're used to seeing the rich and powerful get away with everything.
But it is boring. And time consuming. Something that the judges admit themselves.
We also do need that same energy, because even if the courts deputize and enforce contempt, there will be resistance to it.
I agree with what some others have said. I'm not rooting against it. I'm doubting that anything will actually come of it. I would absolutely love for something to happen.
People aren't rooting against it, only realizing that it's not gonna work. America is too far gone for boring legalese to matter.
Courts are not going to help you. They haven't for a long time. Wake up.
Anyone threatened with any jail time is going to get pardoned by Trump.
Civil contempt is not pardonable apparently. So someone super low level is getting thrown under the bus
Can't wait to see how the DOGE boys react to finding out they could spend the rest of their lives in jail.
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