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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 95 points 1 week ago

To be fair, getting fat back then was hard work.

Think about it...refined sugars weren't in everything. People had to leave their house, usually on foot, horse, or bike (the modern "safety bicycle" with equally-sized wheels and a chain-drive, came out the same decade).

You'd have to have support/enablers, and you'd have to eat a lot.

Nowadays it's easy to get fat. Everything is at our fingertips including vast amounts of unhealthy and unsatisfying food stuff. And Walmart is just a few minutes ride in a climate-controlled vehicle. And you'd have to be real heavy to get a car to not want to move you...try that with a horse.

[-] vorpuni@jlai.lu 28 points 1 week ago

If you were rich even in ancient times you could be carried by servants and put in some kind of chariot or carriage, but getting enough food to get that fat and eating it all without modern industrial food would be the real feat.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hatshepsut managed to be obese in the mid 1400s BCE.

[-] AJ1@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

"All these other countries, nobody's fat? Think about that shit, dawg. How does a motherfucker get fat? You gotta sit on a couch, do nothing but eat and watch TV all day. White trash, poor Mexicans and blacks, all obese as motherfuckers. See, the White Man has created a system with so much excess, that even poor motherfuckers are fat."

-Sgt. Espera

[-] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago

Yes, let's blame it on moral failure rather than the destruction of walkable spaces, endangering as many outdoor spaces as possible with 3-ton emotional support vehicles, portion sizes at restaurants and grocery stores that are double of other countries because going anywhere requires committing to driving 15mins both ways and parking, and having fuck all for a health care system.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Don't forget putting sugar/HFCS into everything (in Hungary, we call them cookies), and the toxic gymbro culture of "everything or nothing" mentality when it comes to sports/workout.

[-] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 17 points 1 week ago

Don't forget about the actual ingredients in the food, no matter what the portion size is. There's a reason that 1 year old McDonalds cheeseburger looks just the same as it did, fresh under the heat lamp.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 1 week ago

I'm dealing with all those things and I still maintain a healthy weight.

[-] CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Congratulations, me too. Systemic problems don't affect every individual in the system in the same way.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 1 week ago

But they do affect a lot of individuals in the same way. Those individuals can manage to maintain a healthy weight with a little planning and effort. Simply following CICO is enough for most people. I wouldn't say being overweight is really a moral failing but it does typically show that someone who otherwise doesn't have health problems is not making an effort to stay healthy. Most of my social circle falls into this category.

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

Physics tells us that CICO predicts weight gain and heaps of empirical data tells us it's one of many relevant factors.

Most people don't really control their weight by counting calories. They go by how they feel and our feelings,are heavily influenced by our biochemistry. Semaglutide doesn't work by giving people will power or self control; it works by targeting GLP-1 receptors to make them feel full sooner.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago

Most people don’t really control their weight by counting calories. They go by how they feel and our feelings,are heavily influenced by our biochemistry.

Yeah, and that's why they're overweight and that's why I said it takes planning and effort. Wanting to feel "full" is a big part of the problem. The easy food options are too calorie dense for that.

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Weight is a pretty poor predictor of planning and effort.

The overwhelming evidence is that for some people it takes far more work to maintain a healthy weight than it does for others.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Get off your high horse, buddy.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

That's a lot of words to say you don't understand the mental healthcare crisis in this country.

[-] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I guarantee you don't know shit about anyone's health in your social circle because you think of yourself so highly that you can diagnose others just by how they 'look'.

'Simply follow CICO' is another way of saying 'I don't understand how metabolic and hormonal disorders work, I am privileged with access to healthy food and don't live in a food desert, I don't work multiple jobs and feed a family of 4, I don't know what it's like to lack the biochemistry to ever feel full after eating a meal, I don't struggle with eating disorders.

Obesity is a health problem. Saying that 'someone who otherwise doesn't have health problems is not making an effort to stay healthy' is as stupid as saying depressed people who don't have health problems aren't making an effort to stay happy.

'Not making an effort' from you says more about how easy and privileged you have it than how lazy other people are. Grow up and learn to have more empathy than a 3 year old.

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[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Yes, CICO works, since energy is a conserved quantity. That much is very true. What isn't true at all is that CICO is simple.

It takes time and energy to figure out how many calories you're ingesting. And that's the simple part. Knowing how many calories you're actually absorbing and how many you're actually burning takes professional help. And finally, those things are highly volatile and change a lot throughout your life, depending on a plethora of factors.

Many people don't have the resources to access that stuff, starting with enough free time.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The primary difference between skinny people and fat people is that fat people are simply hungrier. People have different set points that their bodies try desperately to stay at. And this set point is largely affected by the diet you experience in early childhood, and it's set for life.

Yes, obviously it is possible for a person with a fat set point to lower their weight through constant grinding effort and calorie counting. But that's not how human beings are supposed to have to live. Most skinny people don't have to count calories, they simply rely on their natural hunger levels to maintain their weight.

If a skinny person tries to eat past their set point, their body will actually fight them. If you try to eat past your set point, your body will force you to burn off calories in all sorts of ways. Your energy levels will soar, so you spend more time active. You'll experience insomnia, so you spend more time active and burning more calories.

If a fat person tries to lose weight just by counting calories, their body constantly fights them over it. Their energy levels decline so they'll burn less calories. They'll get tired earlier and find themselves sleeping for 10 hours as their body forces them to preserve calories.

Weight is not a moral issue. It is a simple health issue. Our modern food systems create unnatural foods that fuck up people's internal set points. Instead of your body trying to get you to maintain a healthy weight, it tries to maintain an unhealthy weight.

We see now through the invention of drugs like Ozempic that the whole idea of calorie counting and brute force willpower to maintain weight is a Medieval and barbaric approach to the problem. We've taken a medical problem and turned it into a moral failing. It's no different than how people used to ostracize, demonize, and banish those who caught leprosy.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Or we could blame it on a food industry that soaked up all the researchers and marketers who got unemployed when we cracked down on cigarette advertising

[-] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

It‘s not that different today. Back then it was people paying directly. Now ads on TLC pay them.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah but we also get an Iranian surgeon who specializes in backhanded compliments.

[-] Jinx@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago

They didn’t have junk food!

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago

Or cars, and most (afaik?) labour was manual.

[-] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Also more parasites as well.

This guy is probably 20lbs of tapeworms.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

All I can think of is that episode of House with the girl who couldn't feel pain, and his "magic tricks" in the operating theatre at the end.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 1 week ago

So, his parasites are fat too?

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

They are legion, because they are many

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago

He would've been advertised by the travelling circus (freak show) as the world's fattest but they had no way to know who in fact was the world's fattest.

[-] raptir@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

Sure but the point is that this was fat enough to get people to come look at him at the freak show and now he's a fairly average American.

[-] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

That's true I guess, but he may have just been a side show for the bearded lady.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

And this is the tallest waterfall on earth!

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Based and waterfallpilled

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

This guy looks EXACTLY like my neighbor. Fuckin creepy

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

You live next to the world's fattest man? Amazing!

[-] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Does your neighbor look like Farva? (Kevin Heffernan) Cause that picture looks a lot like that dude.

[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Landfill and Landfill's brother are my personal favorite characters of his.

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Fair point, but are we sure he was actually the world's fattest man, or was that just what the carnival barker that sold the tickets put on the sign?

Fattest man to have been photographed in 1890.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

American way of life. Would you like a straw with your 2 liters soft drink?

[-] exasperation@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

I went to look up our soft drink sizes.

McDonald's large is 30 fl oz (890 ml). The Super Size, discontinued in the mid 2000's, was 42 fl oz (1240 ml).

The 7-Eleven Big Gulp is also 30 fl oz, but it's not the largest size offered. The Super Big Gulp is 40 fl oz (1180 ml), and the Double Gulp is 50 fl oz (1480 ml), down from its original size of 64 fl oz (1900 ml).

There are bigger sizes, like the 7-Eleven "Team Gulp," an entire US gallon (128 oz, 3.8 liters), but it's marketed as being for multiple people to share.

[-] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 12 points 1 week ago

【Today he'd be the 3rd fattest guy at the local Walmart.]

That's assuming the Walmart mobility scooter left in the parking lot has enough of a charge to get the actual fattest guy through the doors. The pictured guy could come in 4th.

[-] AugustWest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

If the scooter has no charge and the fattest guy can’t get in, doesn’t that make the pictured guy 2nd?

Food technology has come a long way

[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I don't see a fatness certificate detailing BFI.

There are people like these today that are sodium intolerant, and their body retains gigantic amounts of water just to deal with that.

I'm talking people that are way, WAY above the average sodium consumption of 2300 milligrams daily.

They don't know they are intolerant and gain abrupt amounts of weight ( 30 lbs or more in days ) just due to water retention

These are people whose maximum sodium intake should be less than 500-50 milligrams daily

Imagine what that much salt makes to a body

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I think I might go do some sit-ups

[-] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago
[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Average day at WalMart.

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