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[-] lemmylime@lemy.lol 69 points 1 week ago
[-] MECHAGIC 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

do it again but stare at grass for a few hours

Edit: Also i drew "your" guy pregnant

Gave it a fat ass too

[-] nicknonya 28 points 1 week ago

evenly lit, ink smudged weird, camera somehow perfectly on top without occluding any light

may snakes bite your balls and all your milk turn sour

[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago

Randomly made this when clearing a pen's nib on a post-it

[-] unnamedau@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

what an esteemed little guy :)

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[-] dwemthy@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

Here's my shitty drawing of something AI can't draw

[-] debil@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

That's actually pretty good depiction of a chunk of roast beef with a revolving rotor attached to it and flying upwards.

[-] sheetzoos@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Time to move the goal posts again:

[-] dwemthy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

My career as an artist is in shambles

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[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

"I judge art on the basis of how it was made, not on its merit in terms of the emotions and thoughts it elicits from me"

[-] pipes@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago

Is it not possible that how something is made also elicits emotions and thoughts?

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sure but I don't think it should be the line between garbage and good. It can add value and push the overall piece, but that isn't what the person is implying.

There are probably some really fine paper napkin art out there, and having it on a paper napkin most likely adds to it overall, but it's different then saying all paper napkin pieces have more value then all generated images.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 week ago

Some of us value authenticity. Plagiarism-powered hallucination engines have exactly none of that. The disturbed individual (or individuals) that painted the bathroom of my primary school with feces created something more artful than any AI slop could ever be.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Imagine arguing that flavor is what is important in a dish and not the type of knife used to cut the vegetables, and have someone respond he'd rather drink piss.

[-] kittenzrulz123 7 points 1 week ago

Its more like arguing a soulless robot should make your food built upon stolen recipes, not only are the recipes stolen but that robot cannot taste nor understand flavor. All it understands is the words of the recipes and sometimes not even that, it than needs to make new recipes without being able to taste it. Your food will taste as bland and souless as the robot who cannot taste it, even if it does taste good you'll know its basically just a worse version based on stolen recipes.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bruh a "stolen" recipe made by a robot tastes exactly the same as a purchased recipe made by a human. "Love" is not actually a real ingredient in a meal.

And all things being equal... I would rather have a robot serve me than coerce some human.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Authenticity" is a myth. Everything is "plagarized". There's no major difference between someone creating art with a computer or with a paint bush.

The disturbed individual (or individuals) that painted the bathroom of my primary school with feces created something more artful than any AI slop could ever be.

Ok weirdo. Enjoy your literal poop!

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[-] EldritchFeminity 28 points 1 week ago

"I find the ethics involved in the creation of something to be irrelevant."

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's called capitalism. There are no ethics in how anything is ever created. If you're mad about people being exploited, then fight capitalism.

But poeple just sound corny hating on every work of generated art. It's very possible to make nice pictures and videos with a computer.

[-] EldritchFeminity 8 points 1 week ago

No ethical consumption under capitalism doesn't apply to "luxury" goods like art and entertainment. That's like arguing that it's okay for people to still use Reddit and Twitter after all the stuff from the past few years because "no ethical consumption under capitalism." This isn't Amazon or Wal-Mart killing off local businesses so that they're the only place you can find stuff that we're talking about. This is not reading Harry Potter or buying merch because JK Rowling is a TERF. It's super easy to avoid companies like that, I do it all the time. I stopped using streaming services (and TV before that), and there's easily a dozen video game companies that I refuse to buy from due to the way they treat their employees and customers. And protect sexual assault. Let's not forget that Ubisoft and Blizzard both are guilty of that.

This isn't about people making art with digital tools. I do that all the time, and AI gen can easily be a super cool tool for that. Except for the whole stolen labor part of it and people using it to do a corporation while using excuses like "no ethical consumption" to absolve themselves of stealing the skills and work of artists.

Creating art is considered a useless skill looked upon with contempt by society, yet the product is highly coveted, and AI is being used by people who want the reward but don't want to put in the effort and don't want to pay those who can put in the effort fair compensation for their work. It's merely another step in the long road of devaluing artists.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Never heard anyone arguing over the ethics of the mining of lapis lazuli, and i think slavery and human misery trump plagerism.

So if ethics define art then DaVinci, Michelangelo, etc are not artists

[-] EldritchFeminity 9 points 1 week ago

Lapis lazuli? Maybe not, but lithium mines are a constant source of criticism for those reasons, and your simplification of the world to an either or scenario is incredibly disingenuous.

If you think that people like Da Vinci and Michaelangelo had nothing to say, then you know nothing about artists. Da Vinci hated the Pope who commissioned the Sistine Chapel so much that he painted him burning in Hell directly behind the altar. He was a gay man who had relationships with his apprentices and performed illegal autopsies on bodies to study the human anatomy during a time when it was considered descecrating the dead, which formed the foundation of modern medicine's understanding of the human body.

You're just making excuses so you feel better about stealing the labor of others.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 9 points 1 week ago

How not to define art

(You can take this as agreeing or disagreeing with you, or both)

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[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago

Depends on the artist. Shitty at drawing but got skills on the comp? Ill take the art you used AI for.

Plenty of AI slop out there sure, but there is also plenty of drawn/painted/sculpted/whatever slop out there as well.

Hating on new tools is some dumb shit.

[-] EldritchFeminity 29 points 1 week ago

Hating on new tools is some dumb shit.

This has never been what the issue is. The issue isn't the tool, but how it's made and how it's used.

AI gen programs are almost to a fault created using art without permission with the express purpose of then using said programs to put the workers whose skills were stolen out of a job. Without artists, gen AI would have nothing to train on. They are basically the definition of wage theft in their current form.

You might as well be arguing that Temu brand fast fashion is just as good as any other kind of clothing.

And the other end that gets hate is the people who consider themselves to be better than artists because the prompt they put into an LLM created an image that they consider to be better than what artists make. They're jealous of people creating something and want the reward without putting in the effort so they can hold it over others.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

using art without permission

Every artist does this all the time. The actual problem is "IP" - a system of capitalist control whereby the rich control everything and workers are still exploited.

put the workers whose skills were stolen out of a job.

Nobody can steal another person's skills. If people are losing their jobs, the problem is being forced to serve capital in order to survive. That's a much bigger and more important problem than "AI slop".

Without artists, gen AI would have nothing to train on.

Without artists, artists would have nothing to train on. But in reality artists will always exist.

wage theft

This is the biggest form of theft under capitalism but somehow people only complain about it in terms of "AI". Again this is a direct result of the exploitation of worker by capital. There is nothing inherently exploitative about making art on a computer (apart from the manufacturing of the computer which is extremely exploitative).

And the other end that gets hate is the people who consider themselves to be better than artists because the prompt they put into an LLM created an image that they consider to be better than what artists make. They’re jealous of people creating something and want the reward without putting in the effort so they can hold it over others.

If this is even real? It seems like two completely difference category. And more importantly who cares? Petty AF.

[-] EldritchFeminity 9 points 1 week ago

AI bros fall into 2 categories in my experience, the "who cares, picture making machine go brrr" group and the "I can make works that rival the great artists like Da Vinci with just a few words, thus making me the winner and better than any so-called artist" group.

As for your argument about artists doing the same thing all the time, there's a fundamental difference between artists and AI: a person learns the rules/reasons behind something while AI merely generates a statistical average. An AI is incapable of understanding concepts like perspective and lighting, nor can it learn anatomy. It's much closer to tracing art than it is to going "I really like the way that guy does hands, I'm gonna learn to do that." If you write a haiku, you're not stealing your poem from other writers. You know the rules that make a poem a haiku. But an AI, asked to write a haiku, doesn't know what makes a haiku a haiku, it just knows that its statistics say that x number of syllables is followed by a line break, etc.

If artists can't exist without having artists to train on, then where did the first artist come from? Where did Impressionism come from? It hasn't always existed as an art form. Who created the art that the Mona Lisa was generated from? I can tell you: the actual person that Da Vinci was drawing and the years upon years of study of things like anatomy and lighting that he had. The cavemen who drew stick figure horses on cave walls didn't train on other stick figures, they drew what they saw in nature through the lense of their own interpretation and creativity.

Nobody can steal another person's skills.

Look at your own words here: Nobody. No person. AI isn't a person stealing the skills of another, it's a tool using patterns and schematics created by people to make knockoffs. And just because this is a problem of capitalism stealing from workers doesn't mean that it's not a problem that we should address.

Again this is a direct result of the exploitation of worker by capital. There is nothing inherently exploitative about making art on a computer (apart from the manufacturing of the computer which is extremely exploitative).

This is what I'm saying. Making art using digital tools? Totally fine, I do it myself and even have a side business from the stuff I make in Blender. Using the tools created by companies committing wage theft rather than paying artists a living wage because it's cheaper and easier for you? Not okay. It's like buying stuff from Temu. You don't have to subscribe to Netflix and watch all the latest shows. You don't have to use Stable Diffusion to make memes any more than you have to use Reddit.

If 2 things were to change, nobody except for the stupid "photography will kill painting" people would care: people using AI to avoid paying people a living wage, and people who think that using AI makes them better than others.

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[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

To me, it's more that I get a glimpse of the human behind the art, even or especially if they're shitty at drawing. That's why I also like memes which are thrown together haphazardly. If it's pixel-perfect imagery, I don't see much from that at all.

[-] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

These heroes act like they’re patrons of actual artists, or do anything with actual art other than ignore it, or do anything with creative works that would require art but don’t have it. They don’t seek out prototypes of games (board or video) they just sit back and consume and then have the nerve to whine about what’s produced for them.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Not referring to the Adobe model that compensates artists in the training set, but besides them there has been great debate on the ethics of ingesting & regurgitating. (“but small humans do it” etc)

Which is to say of course it could be the best art in the world and it wouldn’t be beautiful in those eyes.

[-] Sergio@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

Hating on new tools is some dumb shit.

The algorithms are beautiful, revolutionary, a true achievement of humanity.

The way the corporations have used those algorithms is unethical, inartistic, a true embarrassment of humanity.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The way the corporations have used...

This is true of everything under capitalism. And it doesn't mean the art is slop.

For example our phones are made by slave labor but nobody is posting memes about how all phones are slop. Maybe they should do. It would be a better cause than crying about generated art.

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[-] xorollo@leminal.space 32 points 1 week ago

My doodle this week. I trace from cute pictures I see on the internet.

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

I rushed to dig through my old high school art class work and found this:

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[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago
[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Be real, this is clearly an AI generated image.

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[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

You know, at this point part of the fun of using AI art is pissing off the holier-than-thou luddites.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Luddites would be attacking the capitalism that's exploiting us all, that coerces artists in serving capital, etc.

These people just think all generated art is bad because it doesn't have a "soul" or whatever. They're literally preferring napkins and poop on the walls.

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[-] MBM@lemmings.world 9 points 1 week ago

Just like part of the fun of voting Trump is pissing off the holier-than-thou liberals

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah, using an image generator is totally the same as voting for the literal fascist that's putting people in concentration camps. That's very comparable.

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Both fill the world with shit.

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[-] chocosoldier 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

ah yes because the world needs more people acting out of spite towards anyone who believes in anything enough to take a stand and speak up, that'll make things better for sure!

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. There is no "AI".
  2. There's nothing inherently wrong or bad with generated art. The assumption that generated art is "slop" is literally the inverted assumption that "AI" will save us. But in reality there's lots of cool pictures and many cool videos that were generated.
  3. If you're mad about copyright/exploitation, the actual problem has always been capitalism.
[-] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

Everyone is welcome to do just that in !sillydrawingrequests@sopuli.xyz :)

[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

Sharing AI art has the same vibe as telling people about your dreams.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Probably an unpopular take, but I think it's got its uses. My artistic skills is not too great, and I don't want to spend the time to get better or pay someone to draw a banner or icon for a Lemmy community or D&D character, for example, because it's not that important to me. I'm cool if an AI can get kinda close to what I want and it's nothing I consider to be load-bearing. To be clear, I mostly use it as something to fill up the blank spaces.

Also, I've seen AI art really nail some things. It's probably one in every 500 images I've seen, but it actually does knock it out of the park once in a while. It can also be a fucking hilarious toy if you're bored. I gave Dall-e a picture of my wife and her sisters and asked it to give me an upscaled version of the picture and it basically drew them as the canker sisters. Good times.

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