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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 327 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Laser@feddit.org 163 points 3 weeks ago

Well, not really. Twitter was his own private property that he bought with borrowed money secured against his Tesla shares. xAI on the other hand is financed by investors whose money he used to bail himself out at a price he made up himself since Twitter is no longer publicly traded. So this is, in my opinion, misuse of investor funds; the picture would be true if xAI used how own money to do this, but no.

On one hand,I think this is serious fraud. On the other, my understanding for anyone investing into his companies is very limited, there are so many red flags on so many levels.

[-] gencha@lemm.ee 36 points 3 weeks ago

To understand Musk/Trump investors, imagine the investment to be an NFT.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

yes its a perfect setup for a payoff.

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[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 155 points 3 weeks ago

His juvenile enthusiasm for the letter X is so ten-year-old boy with sunglasses.

[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 166 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 71 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“X” is also 88 in ASCII. 88 is a Nazi reference to “heil hitler”. Big surprise.

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/88

[-] capybara@lemm.ee 29 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 15 points 3 weeks ago

I did not know these things, but makes sense…

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Who did that‽ It's so beautiful, it should be posted all over Xitter lol

[-] Tm12@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 weeks ago

Just confirming Xitter is pronounced “shitter” right?

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 22 points 3 weeks ago

That's how I've been pronouncing it in my head when I read it.

I still say "Twitter" though because that and the gulf of Mexico are the only things I feel are okay to deadname.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago

Until the Gulf of Mexico becomes sentient and tells me it prefers to be called the Gulf of America, I will continue to call it what the rest of the world calls it.

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[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I made this one. Thanks for the compliment! 😅

Edit: btw proudly made in GIMP!!

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago

He called the tesla models S3XY, and the 3 is only because Ford was gonna sue him if he used E.

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[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago

using AI hype to finance X loans?

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 3 weeks ago

Correct.

It's actually a smart move.

The dumb money are those pouring hundreds of billions into the AI hype. This is .com bubble on steroids.

And sure, AI obviously is becoming an important market, but it will not be the current leaders who will dominate the tech. Like the internet, it's just too easy to catch up for competitors. Pouring $100B into AI today will only mean you lose out to the $1B startup in 2 years. The incumbents will go broke.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

The incumbents will go broke.

Can't wait! Gonna stock up on some popcorn lmao

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[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 66 points 3 weeks ago

Is this so the loans secured with X stock can't be called in, forcing Elon to sell the collateral to pay back the loan?

Sure seems like a bullshit business move to retain control of Tesla.

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[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 60 points 3 weeks ago

So the bullshit machinery is now AI driven bullshit machinery. What if AI finds it too vile and deletes itself.

[-] SnotFlickerman 22 points 3 weeks ago

They doubtfully are giving it root access to self-delete.

[-] Arbiter@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, with an Elon company who knows.

[-] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

You think Elon actually does anything besides sign the check?

[-] thejml@lemm.ee 26 points 3 weeks ago

So far I’ve seen/heard Elon:

  • Start shitty arguments
  • Be a fascist
  • Fire people they probably needed
  • Cut funding or drop useful projects
  • Spew senseless, poorly thought out catch phases
  • Censor people that were right but didn’t align with his narrative
  • Take credit for other people’s work
  • Pass the blame for failures

Have yet to see him sign a check… it’s why they lost their boulder office, for instance.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago

He’s an egotist and a man child, while also being the richest man in the world. All he has to do is say he wants something and people have to do it. He doesn’t have to “do” anything to be fully influencing what happens. Look at Twitter, look at the federal government. Sycophants surround these assholes and basically have to bend the knee and do what they say. When capital equals power, this is what happens. Just like when blood line meant power, the kings didn’t “do” anything. But the people who took their orders from them did.

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[-] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 50 points 3 weeks ago

So hell get taxed for exchange of speculative assets right?... Right?!

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 weeks ago

No because it's a loss, so he'll actually get 10bln in tax credit

[-] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 38 points 3 weeks ago

Very likely this will turn out to be a broken and bugged version of skynet, trained on X toxicity and the mental aptitude of a 12 year old.

It will proceed to try to enslave humanity, then try to kill us all but accidentally spend all its money on gender affirming care, then start to self hate and destroy itsself.

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[-] chooglers@midwest.social 35 points 3 weeks ago
[-] merdaverse@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

The combination values xAI at $80 billion and X at $33 billion ($45B less $12B debt)

Lol, he actually think the value of Shitter is still $45B, as when he bought it. That's cute.

[-] Redditsux@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Yoga@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

Wrote down not off.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/02/x-twitter-stock-falls-elon-musk

Debt is written off when deemed unrecoverable.

Assets can be written down when the value is lower than expected. Often this is due to more rapid depreciation of capital assets due to damage or impairments to goodwill (brand failure).

But none of that matters because private equity valuations are all bullshit and mean nothing anyways.

https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/private-equity-is-a-joke

[-] Kwyjibo1@lemmy.myserv.one 24 points 3 weeks ago

Musk's slight of hand shell game to keep from losing his shirt if his Tesla stock keeps dropping and his X financiers come looking for money.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago

Are the authorities aware? It's very illegal to sell exctacy in the US.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

I keep wondering what Elon wanted with all of our information from the government. He has who we are, our relatives, our net worth, where we live and have lived. Now he's probably going to feed it into his AI. Why though?

Because this way he gets the AI with data that OpenAI couldn't get, and now likely won't get until foreign spies steal it from DOGE and sell it to them.

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[-] MisterCurtis@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Behavioral predictions. Squash any dissent before it starts. Welcome to the world of precrime.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

$33 billion, 3/4 what it was valued in 2022 when he bought it.

Honestly I'm surprised it's still worth that much. (or rather, that's he's succeeded in claiming it's worth that much).

He paid it to himself. The value is completely made up.

[-] Redditsux@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

You have to remember that he wasn't alone in purchasing twitter. He brought others along with him. Now that value of twitter has gone down the tube, I'm sure he's got a ton of unhappy investors on his hand screaming at every quarter's results. He's trying to recoup what they paid for by giving them shares in AI company. And in turn artificially raise the value of the AI company privately as well. It establishes a benchmark for AI company's valuation for later private investors into that company.

[-] athairmor@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

xAI has raised maybe $12B from investors. And, supposedly, makes $100M/yr.

The valuations are absurd.

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[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

This might have the opposite effect he wants, xAI investors no longer have a clean AI investment and are now linked to a failing social media platform.

xAI is already losing bigtime vs other AI companies, this just makes it even less attractive.

[-] athairmor@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I’m surprised the Twitter investors would approve this. Their worthless Twitter stock is now worthless xAI stock. How does that help them?

I guess they’ll try to take xAI public with a massively overpriced IPO.

[-] golli@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

I am more surprised xAI investors approved. Especially for such a high price.

Twitter actually imo had (and still has) quite a bit of value, but that is only to further Elons ideological goals. As a business it is on a downward trend and was never a cash cow to begin with. Comparatively little room for speculation. It's a stagnating or declining business and doesn't generate large profits if any.

xAI on the other hand is pretty much in the same spot as most other ai companies. It has yet to prove to be a highly profitable business, but there is plenty of room for speculation. So as long as the bubble doesn't burst, it has a high valuation.

Which is all that would matter for any Twitter investor that wants to unload his shares. Although I doubt it would be via ipo, but rather in private funding rounds.

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[-] caffinatedone@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Since it’s a money hole just like all of the other “AI” companies, who’s funding xAI and what are they getting out of being a slush fund for musk?

[-] Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

xAI's Partners:

A16Z, Blackrock, Fidelity Management & Research Company, Kingdom Holdings, Lightspeed, MGX, Morgan Stanley, OIA, QIA, Sequoia Capital, Valor Equity Partners, and Vy Capital, among others.

https://www.glopedia.org/wiki/xai-company

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