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Canada’s Quiet Coup: U of T Snags Yale Professors as We Start Raiding America’s Brain Trust (deanblundell.substack.com)

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[-] FoolishAchilles@lemm.ee 52 points 3 days ago

As someone from the US, if researchers, scientists etc. want to leave, I’d much rather they go to countries who will actually value the work they do so this ain’t all bad

[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago

Anecdotally almost all the people who went to the states after graduating my compsci degree (about 40% of my cohort) have come back now. One guy in my cohort died in a firefight with ICE, it just isn't safe.

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago

One guy in my cohort died in a firefight with ICE

what

[-] ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

Yeah I need to hear this whole story.

[+] saigot@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago

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[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

woah

[-] kiwii4k@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

your friend overstayed his h1b then fired on border agents?

what the fuck do you "geniuses" expect to happen there? fuck this thinking, you can't excuse that level of incompetence

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are good reasons anyone would mistrust self identified ICE agents: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-03-20/ice-impersonators-scams-target-immigrants-tips-to-protect-yourself

Fuck ICE

[-] kiwii4k@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

i'm not saying that there isn't, i'm saying anyone with intelligence will tell you don't fire a gun (especially at anyone claiming to work for the government) in a country you aren't a citizen of

and don't cry foul when consequences come knocking. you should 10,000% comply to ICE if you know you are in the wrong. if you aren't, then fuck with them all day long. otherwise you are asking to be deported or worse.

it's not black and white like everyone loves to claim these days. as soon as a gun was involved from the immigrant, like duh why am I even explaining this

[-] kiwii4k@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

i’m not saying that there isn’t, i’m saying anyone with intelligence will tell you don’t fire a gun (especially at anyone claiming to work for the government) in a country you aren’t a citizen of

and don’t cry foul when consequences come knocking. you should 10,000% comply to ICE if you know you are in the wrong. if you aren’t, then fuck with them all day long. otherwise you are asking to be deported or worse.

it’s not black and white like everyone loves to claim these days. a

also yeah, fuck ICE, but fuck them smartly. otherwise you are validating their actions and continuing the struggle.

[-] theblips@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Wasn't this guy one of those "zizian" nutjobs?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/german-math-genius-get-drawn-cult-accused-coast-coast-killings-rcna189309

Ziz believes there are two kinds of core, "good" and "nongood". "Nongood" cores are the most common (about 95% of the population). A "nongood" core is one that only grants full agency when dealing with issues of self survival or protecting offspring. This is enforced by a filter that only unlocks full agency when it detects those objects in a situation. Sometimes this filter breaks, producing a "good" core. Because people have two cores, there are three basic alignments: "nongood", "single good", and "double good". "Single good" is about 5% of the population, having one broken core which allows limited altruistic agency. Ziz seems to believe the probability of cores breaking is independent. That means the "double good" alignment only occurs in one fourth of one percent of people. This is important because double goods are the only people who can have full altruistic agency in Ziz's worldview. In this model "core" cannot be changed and you're stuck with the morality you have. This is important to consider in later sections where we talk about what Ziz tells people about their cores.

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[-] off_brand_@beehaw.org 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A friend of mine at Tufts was telling me about their ML/comp sco programs falling apart. She's doing her PhD and was handed a project previously led by a green card holder who fucked off (because yeah why would you stay in a place that clearly doesn't want you??). Now she's left managing expectations for a project she didn't write the codebase for.

And that was BEFORE the recent disappearing of a Tufts student earlier this week.

I'm a productive SWE at a big tech firm and I'm looking pretty seriously at offices in Canada. Better than hoping I don't get abducted because my voter registration has (D) on it.

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I’m a productive SWE at a big tech firm and I’m looking pretty seriously at offices in Canada.

Come. We need more progressives in technology. You might feel the pay cut but it's so worth imo

[-] off_brand_@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago

Good to hear, I've honestly been wondering how US folks would be received moving to Canada.

Various estimates do put me at nearly a 50% pay cut. Which, if the CoL doesn't scale down at least a little bit, could actually put me in a bit of a bind when supporting my wife as well.

That's if I could actually convince her to consider it, though.

[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 3 days ago

This is a fantastic opportunity for Canada

[-] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

And the rest of the world, less investment board driven research and more open results.

[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago

Smart people are leaving the Untied States.....I wonder why

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Science is bad anyways, right?

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Its funny that the "I'll move the canada" thing is actually becoming real.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

I've known of (met briefly) 2 families that moved to Canada during the first term. Still there and happy from what I've heard.

[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago

Hey all y'all refugee professors. Cost of living is still very good in Winnipeg, and the winters are very survivable. And if anything funky happens with the Panama Canal, Winnipeg will be booming again.

[-] villasv@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the winters are very survivable

sounds very attractive lol selling 1/4 of the year as "survivable"

[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago

Haha, you have to manage expectations. And it's more like half the year. Winter lasts from November to April.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Interrogator: "what did you do the night between 15 november and 16 of March?"

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 2 days ago

I won a full paid interchange scholarship to the University of Winnipeg, to start classes on the second half of 2020. It was sadly "postponed" for the pandemic, and I could choose to wait until everything came back to normal but had to pause my studies at home, or give it up and continue with my life. I have a little vacuum on my heart, for the time I couldn't live there and every time someone talks about Winnipeg I felt sad 😞

[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

My wife met me because she went to the University of Winnipeg as an exchange student. So yeah, you never know where life will lead you, but she said it felt like home right away in Winnipeg.

And yeah, sorry that you feel sad about what could have been.

[-] Yoga@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

Winnipeg has such a cool mix of architecture. It feels like an unplanned mess of different eras when you're going through the financial district.

If I lived in a high cost of living place I'd probably move to Winnipeg.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

if anything funky happens with the Panama Canal, Winnipeg will be booming again.

Why? Chicago is the rail hub.

[-] Albbi@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

Chicago first, then Winnipeg to get to Churchill for northern shipping. Winnipeg used to be quite an important city until the Panama Canal opened up.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 days ago

Project Paperclip in reverse.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Operation Treetap

[-] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

Operation Mapleclip

[-] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Operation stapler

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 18 points 3 days ago

Our gain, their loss.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

10 years too late tbh.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 3 days ago

Welcome to brain drain gang, America.

[-] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

This is the way.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

after a 5 hour day just to see a doctor for 15 minutes I think we could take their doctors too, if only there was a reasonable way for them to be legally entitled to work

[-] turtle@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

It looks like this is already in the plans: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctors-recruitment-1.7480911

[-] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Well they're not legally entitled to work but US residency-trained doctor have those qualifications accepted in Canada and New Zealand. At least for now.