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Those who don't have the time or appetite to tweak/modify/troubleshoot their computers: What is your setup for a reliable and low-maintenance system?

Context:

I switched to Linux a couple of years ago (Debian 11/12). It took me a little while to learn new software and get things set up how I wanted, which I did and was fine.

I've had to replace my laptop though and install a distro (Fedora 41) with a newer kernel to make it work but even so, have had to fix a number of issues. This has also coincided with me having a lot less free time and being less interested in crafting my system and more interested in using it efficiently for tasks and creativity. I believe Debian 13 will have a new enough kernel to support my hardware out of the box and although it will still be a hassle for me to reinstall my OS again, I like the idea of getting it over with, starting again with something thoroughly tested and then not having to really touch anything for a couple of years. I don't need the latest software at all times.

I know there are others here who have similar priorities, whether due to time constraints, age etc.

Do you have any other recommendations?

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[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 95 points 1 month ago

Get a big mainstream distro and stop tinkering with it.

[-] d00phy@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

This really is the answer. The more services you add, the more of your attention they will require. Granted, for most services already integrated into the distro’s repo, the added admin overhead will likely be minimal, but it can add up. That’s not to say the admin overhead can’t be addressed. That’s why scripting and crons, among some other utilities, exist!

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

i want to try another distro than ubuntu, but the damn thing isnt giving me a single excuse to format my system. it doesnt break if you don't fuck with it.

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[-] asap@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Desktop:

Server:

Zero maintenance for any of them. Not just low maintenance, but zero.

[-] trevor 16 points 1 month ago

This is the way. The uBlue derivatives benefit from the most shared knowledge and problem-solving skills being delivered directly to users.

Between that, and using a decorative distrobox config, I get an actually reliable system with packages from any distro I want.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago

Doesn't ucore also have to restart to apply updates?

Not super ideal for a server as far as maintenance and uptime to have unexpected, frequent restarts as opposed to in-place updates, unless one's startup is completely automated and drives are on-device keyfile decrypted, but that probably fits some threat models for security.

The desktop versions are great!

[-] axum 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not super ideal for a server as far as maintenance and uptime to have unexpected, frequent restarts

This is such a weird take given that 99.9% of people here are just running this on their home servers which aren't dictated by a SLA, so it's not like people need to worry about reboots. Just reboot once a month unless there's some odd CVE you need to hit sooner than later.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 4 points 1 month ago

That is very fair!!

But on the other hand, 99.9% of users don't read all of the change notes for their packages and don't have notifications for CVEs. In that case, in my opinion just doing updates as they come would be easier and safer.

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[-] asap@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They won't apply unexpectedly, so you can reboot at a time that suits. Unless there's a specific security risk there's no need to apply them frequently. Total downtime is the length of a restart, which is also nice and easy.

It won't fit every use-case, but if you're looking for a zero-maintenance containerized-workload option, it can't be beat.

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[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 month ago
  • yet another vote for Debian Stable
  • second the comment on: if you need a newer kernel for hardware reasons, use backports
  • Xfce
  • stick to flatpaks when dealing with wanting to try out a new program (if you like it, then make the decision to use apt or not)
  • don’t confuse “hasn’t been updated” with “hasn’t needed to be updated”
[-] lordnikon@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

If you like debian and just need a newer kernel you could just add backports to your debian install then install the kernel during the install process.

[-] Naich@lemmings.world 20 points 1 month ago

Ubuntu. It's boring but it all works.

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

Ubuntu is literally just Debian unstable with a bunch of patches. Literally every time I've been forced to use it, it's been broken in at least a few obvious places.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

So, you are saying Debian is the better choice, right?

[-] Naich@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ubuntu comes with non-free drivers which can make it easier to set up and use. I use Debian on my server and Ubuntu on my laptops. They have both been pretty reliable for me. LTS versions of Ubuntu are pretty bug free but have older versions of software. I'd guess that Daniel was using a non-LTS release which are a bit more bleeding edge. The LTS ones strike a good balance between modernity and stability.

[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Absolutely. I've been running Debian for literally decades both personally & professionally (on servers) and it's rock-solid.

On the desktop, it's also very stable, but holy-fuck is it old. I'm happy to accept the occasionally bug in exchange for modern software though, so I use Arch (btw) on the desktop.

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Debian stable + XFCE for me. Missing newer packages though. I'm interested in what problems you had with Fedora

[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I had problems with waking from sleep/hibernate, audio issues (total dropouts as well as distortion in screen-recording apps), choppy video playback and refusal to enter fullscreen, wonky cursor scaling, apps not working as expected or not running at all. I've managed to fix most of these or find temporary workarounds (grateful for flatpaks for once!) or alternative applications. But the experience was not fun, particularly as there was only a 2 week return window for the laptop and I needed to be sure the problems weren't hardware design/choice related. And I'm finding it 50/50 whether an app actually works when I install it from the repo. There's a lot less documentation for manually installing things as well and DNF is slow compared to apt...

I don't want to say for certain that Fedora as a distro is to blame but I suspect that it is. I miss my Debian days.

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 points 1 month ago

(grateful for flatpaks for once!)

That's how I run my system right now. Fedora KDE + pretty much everything as Flatpak.

Gives me a recent enough kernel and KDE version so I don't have to worry when I get new hardware or new features drop but also restricts major updates to new Fedora versions so I can hold those back for a few weeks.

I made a similar switch as you but from Ubuntu to Fedora because of outdated firmware and kernel.

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[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

fedora has been this for myself. maybe tweaking every now and then to fix whatever edge cases I've run into but it's the least painful distro I've used so far

[-] EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago

Debian XFCE or Xubuntu LTS.

xfce is stubbornly slow at introducing new features, but it is absolutely rock-solid. Hell I don't think they've changed their icon set in some 20 years.

Debian and *buntu LTS are also likewise slow feature updaters that focus on stability.

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The thing with Debian is that yes, it's the most stable distro family, but stable != "just works", especially when talking about a PC and not a server (as a PC is more likely to need additional hardware drivers). Furthermore, when the time comes that you DO want to upgrade Debian to a newer version, it's one of the more painful distros to do so.

I think fedora is a good compromise there. It's unstable compared to RHEL, but it's generally well-vetted and won't cause a serious headache once every few years like Debian.

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[-] JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone 9 points 1 month ago

Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) is my pick.

I've got two study laptops and apart from Tailscale giving me some grief very recently with DNS resolution, I literally haven't had any problems with either machine. Both have been going for 1.5 years.

I like the LMDE route for the DE already having pretty decent defaults and not requiring much tweaking from the get-go. Xfce (as it ships by default in Debian) absolutely works, but I end up spending an hour theming it and adding panel applets and rearranging everything so that it... ends up looking similar to Cinnamon anyway, because default Xfce looks horrible in my opinion

[-] poweruser@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

I am a longtime fan of Debian Stable, for exactly that reason. I installed the XFCE version using the custom installer about 8 years ago and have had very few issues.

Initially my GPU wasn't well supported so I had to use the installer from Nvidia, forcing me to manually reinstall the driver after every kernel update. That issue has been fixed in recent years so now I can just use the driver from the Debian repos.

I installed the unattended-updates package about 2 years ago and it has been smooth sailing since

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Debian stable is as hassle-free as you'll get.

It sounds like your issue is more with having to migrate to a new laptop. Firstly - buy laptops that are more linux compatible and you'll have fewer niggles like with sound, suspend and drivers.

Secondly - use "dpkg --get-selections" and "--set-selections" to transfer your list of installed software across to your new laptop. Combined with transferring your /home directory, user migration can be speeded up.

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[-] Arehandoro@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

fedora with gnome for me.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

My desktop has been running debian for 5 years no problem including 2 major debian version upgrades, and a new(er) GPU.

I had an old laptop that ran the same debian install for 8 years. All upgrades in place, no reinstalls.

boring, and works. Stable + backports should cover the majority of people with new hardware support needs.

[-] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Peppermint , based on debian (also a devuan flavor). "Everything you need and nothing you don't"

[-] mbirth@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Ubuntu. Or, get a Mac - which is even more “boring”.

[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As someone who just had to bandaid an unexplained battery draw on his wife's MacBook - no, Mac OS no longer "just works". Apple buries some of the most basic settings inside a command line-only tool called pmset, and even then those can be arbitrarily overridden by other processes.

And even after a fresh reinstall and new battery, it still drains the battery faster in hibernation mode than my Thinkpad T14 G1 running LMDE does while sleeping. Yeah, that was a fun discovery.

That Thinkpad is by far one of my most dependable machines.

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[-] tasankovasara@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

You're not going to believe this, but I've found Arch is it. My desktop install was in December 2018: Sway with Gnome apps. Save for Gnome rolling dice on every major update, it's been perfectly boring and dependable.

[-] nawordar@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

There are two camps of Arch users:

  1. Use it despite it breaking on every update, because of AUR and other benefits
  2. What? Arch breaks?
[-] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

PopOS is very stable as a desktop. It also keeps up to date with packages better than base Ubuntu in my opinion.

[-] Aphelion@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've been running Manjaro for the last 4 months and it's been incredibly reliable and smooth. I haven't done any serious tweaking beyond installing a realtime audio kernal. I run updates every few days and I haven't had a single issue so far.

Edit: what's up with the down voting? If there's something incorrect with recommending Manjaro in this context, I'd love to know why, since I'm still relatively new to Linux.

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[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

My Arch Linux setup on my desktop and my servers are low-maintenance. I do updates on my servers every month or so (unless some security issue was announced, that will be patched right away) and my desktop a few times a week.

Nearly anything can be low-maintenance with the proper care and consideration.

For your constraints I would use just use Debian, Alma Linux or Linux Mint and stick with the official packages, flathub and default configuration on the system level. Those are low-maintenance out of the box in general.

[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Xubuntu LTS. I've been meaning to switch to Debian Stable when something breaks, but it's my third LTS on the desktop and 5th on the laptop and there was just no opportunity. I also learned to avoid PPAs and other 3rd party repos, and just use appimages when possible.

You can have a kernel from Testing or even Sid, I believe, but yeah, it's what we want to avoid - tweaking.

LTS is released every 2 years, for reference.

[-] noxypaws@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago

avoid nixos

[-] floppybutton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

As others have mentioned, Debian stable and Xubuntu are my default recommendations for anyone who wants a simple "just works" kind of system. Debian if they want it to be as clean as possible, Xubuntu if they want some creature comfort right out of the box.

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