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[-] kingofras@lemmy.world 262 points 4 months ago

Form a new party!!! Don’t call it Labor or Labour. Don’t call it Green. Don’t call it progressive. Don’t call it socialist or liberal.

Just give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. “For The People”

Take on BOTH the democrats and GOP. Become popular overnight. Keep hammering home it is not about skin colour, race or country of origin, but about the billionaires that aren’t happy with paying no tax and having billions. Make it about the 99%.

It is the only way you’ll get your country back without excessive violence. The two status quo parties are hollowed out from the inside. And both are infiltrated by foreign interests.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 124 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's what Bernie is saying. He's calling all progressives to run as Independent, aka No Party Preference, down ballot so we can shove the Corporate DNC into the GOP where they so desperately want to be anyway.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

IIRC, he also called for the corpocentrists to get primaried.

[-] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago

The 99% Party. It's a slick way of calling it a worker's party without sounding like a communist party.

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The thing is, you can "not call it socialism" all you like. The fact is that it is socialism, you have to respect people's intelligence enough to know that they will figure that out (or be easily convinced of it, if you really need an argument that doesn't respect their intelligence). When this happens, and even moreso when you inevitably reveal yourself to be socialist, it will make you look deeply insincere and subversive, because you yourself will have fed into this taboo and not done the work of separating the term from its negative stigma or generating positive media for it.

Socialism is simply the fact of the matter and being socialist means caring about material reality enough to not just lie and gaslight as a means of convincing people. When you get attacked for being socialist, you will not be able to backpedal without sabotaging your own movement, because there will be a litany of evidence that you are socialist. As there should be, or you would not have the support of actual ideological socialists (remember that whole material reality thing I just mentioned).

The material reason why socialism is a "no-no" word is because when the right attacks it, the liberal establishment does what they always do; they backpedal. Not only does this make the right's criticism look reasonable, because it confirms there is real reason to fear being associated with socialism; but it ensures that the people only ever hear the arguments against socialism, never the arguments for it. All of the arguments which are intrinsically associated with socialism; which you have done all this work to propagate; are never connected to it optically, and the people never learn what it actually is, leaving all of your policy open to attack.

What you are suggesting here is not the solution but exactly the issue that has brought us to this point.

The only way that you will ever launder the term "socialism" is by openly advocating for socialism and calling it what it is when you do. You just aren't going to beat the establishment at their own game; rather, we must show the people what it is to be respected and hear policy based in material reality that will actually address their needs, and you will win support from across the spectrum.

[-] yesoutwater@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago

I disagree. And I don't mean to preach, but there is a power in words and using them (or not using them). The fight over the word and meaning of socialism is not what "the people" need right now, that can come later. This has been happening in the US closing in on a century. It's not those tolerant of material reality (as you say) you need to convince, it's those that would benefit from "the peoples" agenda that don't acknowledge material reality. Ride the wave of making billionaires pay.

Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.

Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.

Socialism is what they called farm price supports.

Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.

Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.

Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.

When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.

What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.

  • Harry Truman

Don't swim against this right now. These programs from the new deal and fair deal are not even called socialist by American standards anymore.

[-] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This quote is an example of what I am talking about though. Roosevelt had to take great strides to ease the great depression, because of mass protest movements at the time openly led by socialist/communist parties, but he could not go so far as to address the economic system that created the great depression. Nor could the capitalist class allow these policies to be associated with the socialists that visibly fought for them. Doing so would threaten the power of capital; this is not long after the bolshevik revolution that created the USSR, so there was major fears of similar movements taking root in the US.

This is not Truman defending the new deal, this is him distancing the new deal from socialism.

The new deal was not socialist, which is by design, but it was made up of things that socialists would have certainly fought for and taken even further if their effort was sincerely meant to achieve socialism.

It's time to stop letting socialism be used as a scare word. Sure, the loudest ones will continue to bury their heads in the sand, but those people weren't going to be won over anyways. Furthermore, you aren't going to win people over by talking down to them, and you cannot address their needs in a sincere manner if your base assumption is that they aren't intelligent enough to understand their own lives.

edit: I'm also not suggesting that we should be fighting over "the word and meaning of socialism"; precisely the opposite, in fact. I'm saying that we should be living examples of what a socialist is and what socialists advocate for. We should be seen in our communities doing the ground work of organizing and being role models for what we believe in.

The difference between what we are accused of and what we are actually doing is stark, which can't be pointed out if we're constantly distancing ourselves from anyone that calls themselves socialist simply because we're afraid of the word. There is so much present day and past evidence; from the rich history that was erased in the red scare and all of this anti-socialist sentiment; for us to draw on instead of trying to distance ourselves from the reality that what we advocate for is anti-capitalist in nature.

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[-] naught101@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Not very practical while the US voting system is still first-post-the-post. Y'all need to fix that first.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago

Now is the perfect time. Breaking with the Democrats mean they have to play ball now or get electorally buried.

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[-] Sibshops@lemm.ee 115 points 4 months ago

The worst part is that Republicans unironically believe that these are all paid actors.

[-] Kit 92 points 4 months ago

How can I sign up for that job?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 31 points 4 months ago
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[-] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Digging into who is actually paying them is a fun road to go down as well. They can't answer. When the democrats were in charge, they'd be paid for by the government!

Now that Trump is in charge, they can't say that anymore! So they'll move onto another scapegoat such as Bill Gates, or NASA (and ignore that NASA gets funds from the government).

[-] Sibshops@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago

I don't think facts or lack of evidence has ever gotten in their way before. They will just say it's George Soros. Or they will point to fake craigslist posts which can be created by anyone.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 89 points 4 months ago

They need to organized this momentum into a proper party, maybe call it the labor party or the progress party. But most importantly they need to not be scared to use actural leftist rhetoric and appeal to class conscious workers.

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[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago

Go baby go!

It's working kids - despite the blackout from the mass media, people are taking to the streets:

Link to full article from WagingNonViolence.org

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[-] unsettlinglymoist@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago

I was at the rally! I was one of the last people let inside before they closed the gate, and thousands of people that didn't get inside watched and listened from outside of the fencing, so the actual number was more than 34,000.

Here's a photo I took...

And here's Bernie...

[-] lumony@lemmings.world 18 points 4 months ago

Bernie should have won.

Fuck everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary.

They need to be tarred and feathered.

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago

We gotta put all our energy into what they’re doing. They’re the rare few on the left that really understand what is going on and how to start fighting it.

[-] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 50 points 4 months ago

Trump and gang is trying to have AOC charged for terrorism, so it seems to be working. She should either get DNC leadership now or finally form her own party.

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[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 months ago
[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 4 months ago

DNC:

The best we can do is normalize Trumpism. Now, for what's important, how many more terms can we keep Schumer?

[-] Kit 52 points 4 months ago

It's wild to me that democrats by and large haven't realized that the DNC is holding them back. I'll never forgive them for picking Hillary over Bernie. How different would things be now if Bernie had been the nominee?

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago

If Bernie was 20 or 30 years younger, AOC and him would smash the fucking Government of Putin.

[-] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 4 months ago

in AOC and Bernie I trust

[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 27 points 4 months ago

How many billionaires did they kill?

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[-] prole 22 points 4 months ago

I fear for her safety. I hope she stays safe.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago

Hell yeah!

I'd kill to see a Bernie/AOC rally outside of Chicago.

I went ahead and donated to their campaign, but if you're in a similar boat, give this link a look:

https://berniesanders.com/oligarchy/

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[-] art@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Democrats: Here's how Harris can still win!

[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

God I really needed this. Finally some positivity against the insanity. Glad we are finding our backbone!

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