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I'm wondering if I should just delete lemmy to stay under the radar. 🤔 (I'm a US Citizen currently residing in the US, and moving out of the country is not really an option)

I feel so conflicted on this. On one hand, this is kinda like giving in to authoritarianism, but on the other hand, dissenting is kinda dangerous. 😓

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[-] eronth@lemmy.world 5 points 38 minutes ago

All? Unlikely. But some? A lot harder to say. You're asking for an opinion-based prediction at this point. I think they'll probably eventually try to get the most outspoken critics, but I also think that's a good time to not go silent. You get organized.

[-] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Listen at some point its time to realize you dont give a fuck about their threats, accept death as a possibility, and keep to your principles.

Like that man who stood in front of the tank during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

Im pretty sure were headed into such an event locally.

[-] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 3 points 38 minutes ago

I think it's not feasible to search for anti -trump content and then track down the person, but is much more likely that once they have you they will check your phone to see if you are a dissenter. So any interaction with federal or local authorities will be risky from now on. I just saw a headline of a French scientist being denied entry after immigration searched her phone and found anti Trump messages. If anyone has advice on how to quickly wipe or lockdown a phone, PC, etc. please share. OpSec

[-] tudor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

There is so much content going online, and so much traffic, plus heightened security measures, that make it very hard to identify dissidents on a large scale, at least with the tech we have, without using searches and seizure of one’s devices or other methods unrelated to the Internet itself.

In other words, very hard to impossible.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 hours ago

Extremely unlikely. Not for another 20 years or so, worst case scenario, and by then they probably won't care about now.

First off, there's way too many people who criticize the government to arrest everyone, secondly it's completely unnecessary. Complaining about the government doesn't really do anything other than allowing people to vent their frustrations and feel more content. It's the same way Trump obviously isn't going to "end elections forever" like people say, virtually every country in the world has elections, regardless of how actually democratic they are, because they're a nice little ritual that lets you feel free and in control. It would be like saying that Trump is going to knock down the Statue of Liberty - he doesn't have to.

Now, there are reasons to establish more secure lines of communication, like if you're involved in actual organizing or if you're either helping people do illegal things or planning to help people do things that could potentially become illegal - for example, shipping Plan B or trans hormones to people in red states. Laws in some red states about "pushing transgenderism on minors" could theoretically be interpreted so broadly that if you post information or supportive messages on a public forum and a minor in a red state happens to see it, they could try to come after you for it - but that would probably be found unconstitutional.

Using secure lines of communication for routine, everyday stuff helps keep those lines secure by generating more chaff they'd have to sort through, as well as familiarizing yourself with it and getting more people on board. However, you shouldn't scatter to the wind preemptively and self-censor, beyond just not fed-posting.

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 hours ago

It's more about setting up a system that rewards your neighbour for snitching on you. If that system is practical online, only time will tell. It worked well irl for other fascists.

Please watch this video about dictatorships and what to look out for.

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 63 points 11 hours ago

I have the RIGHT to freedom of speech and expression and I will not waive it for Trump or anyone else. Without it, there is no United States.

Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the oligarchy. Fuck authoritarianism. Fuck this fear, and fuck advance compliance.

I serve no fucking king.

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Exercise that right, go camping, free helicopter rides. Sounds fun!

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I'd construe that as a threat.

[-] hungryphrog 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Well, I think that it would be if not impossible, then extremely difficult to do that, as the amount of people they'd have to catch would be gigantic.

But I think it's best to be prepared for a lot of social media bans and restrictions. (Think China or Saudi Arabia)

And if you happen to partake in protests, do NOT confess to it online. This is especially important if you're doing anything illegal, but looking at what the situation is over there, I'd say that it applies to peaceful protesting as well. Take care.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 26 points 10 hours ago

I don’t see them coming for all of us. It’s just not practical to arrest everyone who complains.

It all comes down to other characteristics:

  • are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?
  • do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?
  • are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?

are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?

I'm just a nobody. No wikipedia pages or anything like that.

do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?

I was born in PRC. The US government could frame me as a "CCP Spy", but like dude, I'm the most anti-CCP ethnic Chinese person in the US. I'm honesely afraid to getting deported then I'll have to explain to the CCP about all those Anti-CCP stuff I said. (I'm end up in prison).

Like it doesn't even make sense for me to be a "CCP Spy", they literally tried arrest my mother and tried to terminate me (I was the second child that my mother had during the One Child Policy). Why would I ever help a party that almost prevented my existence?

are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?

I'm not really LGBT, but I really have no desire to seek a relationship so I think I'm just asexual/aromantic which the Magats would probably consider a "sexual deviant" or whatever bs deogratory label they wanna make, but like I could lie and say I'm straight.

I'm Chinese American, so, judging by the "China virus" racist rhetoric, orange cheeto doesn't like people like me. 👀

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Yep. You too might be a criminal, gangster, drug dealing, illegal immigrant that should be deported. If China won’t take you back, we can dump you somewhere else.

[-] BagOfHeavyStones@lemm.ee 17 points 9 hours ago

I'm not going to travel to the US just in case they triangulate my ID. Haven't said anything terribly bad about USA but still, why risk it.

[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

it's pretty stupid and delusional to think you're going to jail for posting things on social media. in countries where this actually happens (mine for example) you need to be stirring up some viral controversy which directly effects an interest of the government. it wouldn't be useful to put every rambling stepdad in jail and they wouldn't have the resources to do it anyway

[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

People are getting turned away at the border for having tweets critical to Donald trump (terrorism for some reason). It's only a matter of time before they start making lists of people inside the states as well.

[-] sondr3@lemm.ee 37 points 13 hours ago

The fact that you are even worried about this says so much.

Love, A european

[-] Catoblepas 139 points 15 hours ago

In the long run, shutting up won’t save you from fascism. Every inch you give is a foot they take, and they will take and take and take if you let them.

If you’ve never wondered whether people living under dictatorships regret not exercising their rights more when they still had them, now’s the time to start pondering.

[-] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 24 points 11 hours ago

People in Germany protested in front of a Gestapo building in 1943. Post your posts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest

[-] vvilld@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Every single person who disagrees with the administration on the internet? Incredibly unlikely. That'd be literally 10s of millions of people, if not over 100 million. The US prison system currently has a capacity of ~2 million. It's estimated that globally there are ~11.5 million people in prisons. So you're talking about locking up several times more people than are currently locked up. It's just not possible.

The scale of what you're suggesting is just unimaginable. How much manpower would be needed to lock up tens of millions of people? Nearly the entire non-incarcerated population of the US would need to be employed in building and staffing prisons and doing the police work to track down and arrest people.

And what would that do to the US (and global) economy to remove tens of millions of people from the workforce and force the rest of the population into servicing those prisons?

Even in the strictest countries with the most draconian censorship, they don't lock up people who are just disagreeing with the dictator/administration. They lock up people who make a name for themselves and get recognition/go viral. If you have an account that gets a HUGE following and you don't just disagree, but attack and criticize, then you might end up with some problems.

To avoid this, just don't let yourself get a big following with an account that's super critical. If you notice you start to get a following, just delete that account and start a new one.

[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago
[-] vvilld@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Small camps, yes. Camps with enough facilities to hold several times more than the current global population? No, not at all.

[-] Solemarc@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

I hate to be all doom and gloom but if the government decided tomorrow that disagreeing with trump was a crime then it's probably already too late for you.

The amount of information about people online is pretty shocking and no amount of cleaning up after yourself could save you at this point.

On the other hand, it probably won't devolve that fast so you're probably ok?

[-] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Well, if I know my lore, the fediverse, Lemmy included, was created by self avowed communists.

And if the Luigi shenanigans, that is to say the censorship brought to bear on any discussion of the man or his alleged crime, have shown us anything; it's that the powers that be very much fear a class war. Besides wich commies have long been a favorite windmill to tilt at.

I think it's safe to assume anything posted on here gets logged and analyzed.

That having been said, eat the rich, free Palestine, and healthcare for all!!

[-] SnotFlickerman 94 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Dissenting is the only thing that will actually do anything to make things better.

Rolling over and stopping is giving up before the fight has even started.

Further, pretty sure the entire contents of the internet have been sucked down into that NSA Utah Datacenter since it opened in May 2014.

Not to mention the corporate surveillance systems of Meta, Reddit, Twitter, and so on. If you ever had an account, just because you deleted it doesn't mean the data got deleted. Even Reddit has been seen restoring comments after they were changed and deleted. Facebook has been known to have "shadow profiles" on people for like fifteen years now.

Also Room 641A implies that the phone companies will happily divulge the history of your text messages to the administration as well. There is and hasn't been privacy in a long time in any real way in the USA and they're definitely gonna leverage that.

If Trump is ignoring the law, he'll ignore any laws that prevent the government from using that data against American citizens. I think it's healthier to accept it than to try to pretend all that data isn't already out there for the taking.

If you've ever been critical of Trump or Republicans in the last 11 years, just get used to the idea that it's probably a foregone conclusion and get prepared to be involved.

I don't mean buy a gun. I mean get involved in community gardens, community support networks and other types of Mutual Aid. We'll need to support one another and hiding from what is happening and hiding our opinions because we're scared isn't going to help.

Do you have respect for the journalism outfits that have already turned tail and given up on seriously criticizing Trump? Do you have respect for every judge who pussed out on holding Trump accountable before the election? Because I doubt you do. Well, history will look at you the same way, if anyone even remembers your name.

Nobody remembers Germans in 1941 as anything but Nazis. The only ones who are remembered for not being Nazis took risks and didn't lay down and die. It's different now, the surveillance network is massive, there's no hiding from it, so it's pointless to hide from it instead of embrace it and prepare.

[-] Decency8401@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 hours ago

Wow, one of the few comments on Lemmy I agree with 100%!

[-] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 13 points 14 hours ago

Further, pretty sure the entire contents of the internet have been sucked down into that NSA Utah Datacenter since it opened in May 2014.

There is a truly prodigious amount of weird porn on a government server somewhere if true.

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Do you have respect for the journalism outfits that have already turned tail and given up on seriously criticizing Trump? Do you have respect for every judge who pussed out on holding Trump accountable before the election? Because I doubt you do. Well, history will look at you the same way, if anyone even remembers your name.

Good point

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[-] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Wasn't aware that US citizens knew of the existence of other counties, maybe excepting that they are all in Europe; Africa being another, possibly different, country.

Jokes aside. It's not much better here in the UK.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 37 points 15 hours ago

First of all, they won't arrest everyone. Even extreme governments on the tail end of their horrible leadership don't arrest everyone. They need some citizens to be there working jobs. Rather, they would aim to arrest enough people to scare everyone else and then some other people randomly just for the hell of it.

But if you think staying under the radar is going to make your life better, maybe you should read some history books. Who do you think is coming to save you? Who do you think is coming to make your community better? When do you think they're going to arrive? Outside forces will not fix contemporary US political problems. It doesn't work that way, not when everyone has armies and nuclear weapons.

Sadly, quite possibly things could get far worse before they get better, so if you want to plan for some unfortunate eventualities, that might be a reasonable decision. But don't think for a second you can run from them. And even if you could, what kind of human would that make you? What kind of person do you want to be?

[-] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 14 points 14 hours ago

Yeah they'll arrest at random and show the brazen cruel incompetent inconsistency of the law. (I live in a country that does this).

[-] nick@midwest.social 40 points 16 hours ago

You know what they called Germans during WWII who just went along with the nazis because why fight, you’ll just lose?

Nazis.

[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

If they come for you, they come for me, and many many more. Don't pay personal information, you shouldn't do that anyways

[-] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 36 points 16 hours ago

Not likely. There wouldn’t be enough working hours in the 4 years available.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

they'll just pour it all into AI. the people they wheelbarrow out of the gas chambers can't dispute it any more.

[-] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 5 points 11 hours ago

Honestly Lemmy is way too small to be monitored and acted upon.

So even though the question is interesting I think deleting Lemmy because of the current administration is an over reaction.

On the contrary you probably have the opportunity to freely dissent here when others on mainstream socials networks can't.

But I'm European so it's easy for me to say that this is probably safe here. You have to evaluate the risk yourself but I think no administration gives a single sh** about Lemmy.

[-] atempuser23@lemmy.world 31 points 16 hours ago

Just enough so you know it happens. It wouldn’t be secret.

[-] qprimed@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago

that trial balloon is already a-floatin'.

non-citizen permanent resident (aka green card holder) spouting views that the govt dont like? straight to the black hole of ICE detention with you.

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[-] 50_centavos@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The entire country would collapse if they did that. There would nothing to be president of.

Not to mention Jon Stewart, Jon Oliver, and the many other celebrities that shit on Trump. Plus all of MSNBC, CNN, and the other "left" news companies. I don't imagine they have resources to do all that.

[-] notabot@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago

The trick is not to arrest most if the really high profile individuals who are critical of the state, but encourage rumours about why they've been spared to discredit them.

[-] wthinker@libranet.de 14 points 15 hours ago

@IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol I don't think you need to delete the account.
Just create another account and only log in to it via VPN, i2p or TOR. It's Fediverse, you can have multiple accounts with different content. And don't write anything private on the second (3,4,5...) account that can help in your identification.

And in general, showing the middle finger to surveillance systems it's simply rule of good tone on the modern internet. 😀

[-] theneverfox@pawb.social 12 points 15 hours ago

Be careful what you say - don't call for violence, definitely don't make threats of violence against specific figures, especially ones in office, and as a general rule don't spread personally identifying information

Past that? Let's say there's a crackdown. They're going after low hanging fruit to instill fear. By nature, the fediverse is hard to tie back to individuals... But if they're looking for you individually, they can find you

I wouldn't worry too much. Dissatisfaction is insanely high... They're more likely to do a great firewall and kill the fediverse long before they bother looking into lemmy accounts

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