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[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 106 points 4 months ago

It doesn’t matter what ideology. If the people running it are rotten, any system can be corrupted.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 49 points 4 months ago

So then the solution is to decentralize so everyone is running it.

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[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 months ago

Deeply anti-materialist take.

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[-] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you know, i tell you what. i'm fed up with all this gringo self-righteousness when you talk about "oh communism was bad, oh people where killed, oh people had no food, oh people had no liberty, oh people could not buy ataris, oh our countries are so democratic". your countries were democratic during the cold war in the first place because you had people to sort things out for you here in the global south. for each person complaining about how the food rations in eastern europe were not tasty enough, there were 10 dying of hunger or malnourishment here in the global south. for every person complaining they had to wait 5 years in a queue to buy a trabant or an oka, there were 10 who got no school in a range of 50 km. for every person complaining that their 8 hour shifts in state owned factories were overwhelming, there were 10 who were indentured workers. for every person complaining about how the stasi, kgb or the stb had bugged their apartment, there were 10 suffering the most horrific tortures inside black sites of the military of u.s. allies here in the "third world". for every person complaining about dull standard apartment blocks in mikrorayons, there were 10 who lived in mud shacks and slums, and those are just who were lucky enough to have a roof over their heads. finally, for everyone complaining about chinese sweatshops, which are indeed a problem, there are 10 americans who work and yet cannot afford proper housing.

you wanna complain about how communism was bad? go ahead. you wanna complain how your parents lived under communism and could not drink coke? do so if you wish. but there are still millions of people down here who would give an arm and a leg to have a polish ration, an apartment in a russian gray building, or a yugoslav job. and while the chinese maoist red guard was bad, surely it won't be an inch closer to the harassement people endured on a daily basis by our police forces.

again: you wanna complain? be my guest. but for me that's an encyclopedic example of white privilege.

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[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 43 points 4 months ago

When people ask me what communist country was successful I usually say all of them until cia decided to go there and spread freedom 🇺🇸🦅

[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 months ago

Well... There was this thing called Soviet Union. They decided to try to speed up the transition to communism by using repression and violence. And ended up being a totalitarian state, a direct opposite of what a communist state is supposed to be like.

Of course you can argue that Soviet Union was not communist, it was just a state that had chosen to call itself communist for propaganda reasons... But still, Soviet Union is an example of a communist country that was unsuccessful as a communist project already by itself. Then came outsiders and helped make it even worse, but bad doesn't become good by some people wanting it to be even worse. Burma is another example. I'd say they hacked away their own leg before anyone else, such as CIA, had time to interfere in their business.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago

What no theory does to an mf

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 months ago

Seeing some of the zingers in the comments here, now seems like a great time to plug my "Read Theory, Darn it!" introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list. Read up, comrades!

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And it often comes into being because of a CIA coup

It's like the chicken or the egg question.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago

When has the CIA ever financed a communist coup?

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago

Never .... the communists / socialists / democratic groups usually reacted because of a CIA financed coup

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago
[-] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

as an american, hell yeah!

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[-] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 14 points 4 months ago

As an Australian I now understand the contempt of the middle east for America.

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[-] CircaV@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 months ago

Luckily the US is dismantling the CIA so that’s good news for communism!!!

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[-] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago

Yeah.

The CIA is why the Soviets fell. Not corruption or incompetence.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It was complicated. Kruschev, and later Gorbachev's reforms really weakened the Socialist system because they didn't properly retain strong control of the larger firms and heavy industry (a lesson the CPC took to heart), however the CIA and really the US absolutely worked tirelessly to weaken it. The Soviets also had to spend a much larger portion of their production on the millitary in order to keep parity with the US, meaning that development rates began to slow.

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[-] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

I wonder if anyone ever said "Democracy would never work, just look at what happened to Athens".

Socialism and communism are relatively new ideas. While I don't believe communism is an effective form of government, it's still kind of silly to write it off so quickly.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago

There is a poem in Polish, it goes in fast and dirty translation: "Today you scare us with communists, just as years ago, you scared our fathers with the democrat name".

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[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago

Someone between 1804 and 1830: Democracy doesn't work, just look at France, it dissolves into an empire

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[-] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
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[-] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 20 points 4 months ago

If it's not the CIA it will be a coup from some smart ass****e high ranked in the military/party.

Humans are to greedy to live in a socialist peaceful world.

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[-] BugBu 16 points 4 months ago

09/11 Chile vibes

[-] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Even without interference communism can never work, it's not how human nature works, it relys on everyone being on the same page which will never happen

[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's in our genetics to engage in a perpetual exponential quarterly growth and make our decisions based on the benefit it brings to our investors. Any caveman could tell you that smh...

E: my god it's a hyperbolically absurd take in memes and even with the caveman comment I still need to /s apparently...

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 4 months ago

Anthropology doesn't support the idea that humans are incapable of being communal.

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