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[-] IZZI@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

XY it's man, XX it's woman, nothing will ever change that...

There are intersex people, of course: Klinfelter syndrome (XXY) Turner syndrome (X) There is also XXXY which brings serious disabilities

So you as a man puttin on a wig WILL NEVER make you a woman.

"~95% of all animals in the world are ghonocoric in which individuals are either female or male sex" - "Genome evolution and mating systems in plants" Aline Muyle and Gabriel Marais

You are either a man, a woman, or you have a syndrome, a genetical mutation, a birth defect. It's a delusion to believe that you can change your biological sex during your lifetime.

I will never hold anything against these poor souls, it's not their fault for how they were born. But people cutting up their genitals and saying they are a woman now while stuffing themselves full of hormones are simply delusional.

I'm so glad that were I live there are virtually 0 "trans". Only time in my life when I had to say "Please stop talking to me and imagine I don't exist" was with a dude cosplaying as a woman.

And no, you won't change speech, you are a man and a he, a woman and a she. That's it, you can get as angry as you want, nothing will ever change that.

[-] iltg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 43 minutes ago

thee are only 2 atoms in the universe: hydrogen (74%) and helium (24%). so you're either a Hydrogen, a Helium or have a syndrome

[-] TheBeege@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago

I found the one with Dunning-Kruger! Do I win a prize???

[-] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 42 minutes ago)

Sure, pick one you like :D

[-] IZZI@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

Arguments mate, or you are just wasting our time.

Let me ask you this:

What is the 3rd gender that one can "transition" to? Does one need to take drugs to impede their biological physiology to work properly if they want to "transition"? If one stops taking hormonal drugs what will happen?

Any individual can have different traits:

a woman can be agressive, impatient with kids and mean
a man can be a good cook, can like to clean take care of kids and easy to scare
a woman can be good at fighting and assertive
a man can have mood swings

Nothing of what I said makes anyone less of a man or woman, they are EXACTLY what they were born with whatever masculine or feminine traits they have.

[-] SirQuack@feddit.nl 2 points 26 minutes ago

Arguments mate, or you are just wasting our time.

So far you've only voiced your transphobic opinion, that's not how a good dialog is started.

Arguing with you is a waste of time.

[-] iltg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 24 minutes ago

"what is the third gender" your deliberate misunderstanding and simplification of the issue is just bad faith debate. you're proving us that fractions are "syndromes" by using only integers. this is just a display of ignorance and bigotry, it doesn't really paint you as smart as you're trying to appear

[-] sylveon 4 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

XY it’s man, XX it’s woman, nothing will ever change that…

I think it's really funny you left out the exact intersex conditions that disprove your point, Swyer syndrome and de la Chapelle syndrome.

You are either a man, a woman, or you have a syndrome

So someone with de la Chapelle syndrome is neither a man nor a woman but has a syndrome? 'Man' and 'woman' are social categories and syndrome is not, so this makes no sense. Also I doubt you'd be able to spot the 'syndrome' in a group of men.

It’s a delusion to believe that you can change your biological sex during your lifetime.

This is a strawman I see repeated a lot. I've never seen trans advocates claim this, only opponents. Even then I would still argue that it is true to some extent. Sex is not just chromosomes (as proven by the two conditions I linked above). It's made up of many different characteristics and you can change some of them, e.g. with hormone replacement therapy, which changes some secondary sex characteristics. Or even just gynecomastia does it too.

For people who are interested in what the actual science says about this topic I recommend Forrest Valkai's new Sex and Sensibility video (warning, it's long).

Edit:

And no, you won’t change speech, you are a man and a he, a woman and a she. That’s it, you can get as angry as you want, nothing will ever change that.

Language is completely made up and changes all the time. But you're claiming it will never change again?

[-] IZZI@lemm.ee 1 points 16 minutes ago

I think it’s really funny you left out the exact intersex conditions that disprove your point, Swyer syndrome and de la Chapelle syndrome.

And again, those are conditions, not something you choose to be, you are simply born like that.

So someone with de la Chapelle syndrome is neither a man nor a woman but has a syndrome?

Well than, waht is someone with Chappel syndrome?

Sex is not just chromosomes (as proven by the two conditions I linked above)

Oh yes, it's also the malformations that you were born with

with hormone replacement therapy, which changes some secondary sex characteristics. Or even just gynecomastia does it too.

oh so you need drugs to mimic traits from the opposite sex (there are only two after all) and gender is given by your sex.

Forrest Valkai’s new Sex and Sensibility video (warning, it’s long).

I am actually gonna watch this

Language is completely made up and changes all the time. But you’re claiming it will never change again?

Yes, language is not "made up" it evolved and will evolve naturally, demanding language to change to cater to you is not natural.

[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 7 points 5 hours ago

People who see gender as a F or M binary in 2025 are willingly ignorant to the bone.

[-] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 hours ago

Critically thinking now, how strong is the evidence here?

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

A person’s biological sex usually refers to their status as female or male depending on their chromosomes, reproductive organs, and other characteristics. Chromosomes are tightly packed DNA, or molecules that contain the genetic instructions for the development and functioning of all living things. Humans typically have forty-six chromosomes. Two of those are sex chromosomes that contain instructions for the development and functioning of characteristics related to biological sex, such as reproductive organs. There are two kinds of human sex chromosomes, X and Y. Individuals identified as males tend to have one X and one Y chromosome, while those identified as females tend to have two X chromosomes. However, other people are born with other chromosome combinations, such as XXY, that lead them to develop a mix of characteristics. People who fit that description are often referred to as intersex, a category for people whose bodies do not conform with stereotypical expectations of males or females at birth.

Taken from here

Evidence seems pretty strong to me.

[-] IZZI@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, and those are malformations and genetical defects that come with a lot of problems.

I don't know why people glorify them... Also, there is absolutely no way that a man born with XY magically will change it in their lifetime as the posts sugests.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

This article seems to disagree. But I don't know much on the subject so I might be misunderstanding.

Also, no matter what the correct answer is, pretending the answer is binary is definitely wrong. Since it's obviously a lot more complicated.

[-] IZZI@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

From the article:

"Girls born with XY chromosomes are genetically boys but for a variety of reasons – mutations in genes that determine sexual development"

And again, they don't magically become the other sex, that was already determined at birth.

[-] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 57 minutes ago

No, not magically, no. You're right.

[-] IZZI@lemm.ee 1 points 53 minutes ago

Well, to be fair, not magically and not in any other way, it is impossible to change your sex

[-] holdstrong@lemm.ee 37 points 17 hours ago

“It’s basic biology” mfs when advanced biology

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 24 points 16 hours ago

it is basic biology, ie biology simplified to teach a kid in middle school. the thing is sciences don't stop at middle school level. a lot of university education is about clarifying that things you learned before were simplified to the point that they're practically useless if not outright wrong.

[-] EnthusiasticNature94 27 points 18 hours ago

I agree with Dr. Jey McCreight on the science.

But for determining truth, both sides are wrong here.

Dunning-Kruger is bad, but so is credentialism and appeal to authority.

Many people with PhD's have had Dunning-Kruger. Someone else mentioned Ben Carson being great at neurosurgery, but not politics.

A PhD doesn't make you infallible.

I am saying this as someone who is taking graduate-level courses and will be pursuing my PhD. When I'm correct, it's not because my future PhD causes reality to magically conform to my opinions - it's because I rigorously looked at the evidence, logic, and formed my own conclusion that better aligns with reality.

[-] Lumbardo@reddthat.com 2 points 8 hours ago

If one hasn't fallen victim to Dunning-Kruger, then they have not advanced their knowledge in any meaningful capacity.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 21 points 18 hours ago

You can even be incorrect on a subject you have expertise in.

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 11 points 17 hours ago

that's why we have peer reviews for new findings by experts.

[-] EnthusiasticNature94 5 points 17 hours ago

Exactly, imagine if we threw away the entire peer review process and made it about, "Well I have a PhD! Checkmate."

We'd descend into a dark age for science.

[-] EnthusiasticNature94 8 points 17 hours ago

Experts often disagree.

If it were that easy, everything would be solved. We wouldn't need so much research or so many universities.

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[-] nimble 12 points 19 hours ago

The phrase is funny but you wouldn't catch me dead wearing a logical fallacy

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

....and all in between, hormonal and/or physically. "Only two genders" is false

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I was unaware that an X chromosome could mutate into a Y and vice versa over the course of a lifetime. Do we know what causes that?

[-] Sibshops@lemm.ee 20 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

They are not saying that the X chromosome mutates to Y, but rather saying that XY doesn't define the sex. For example, some people with XY are born with female genitalia and look female their whole lives. Sometimes they don't find out they are XY until trying to have kids and are unable to. It isn't like the X changes to Y over time. That isn't possible.

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[-] LongLive@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

I hope this criticism is valid :
https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2022/04/08/the-dunning-kruger-effect-is-autocorrelation/ and
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2023/05/09/debunking_the_dunning-kruger_effect_898340.html!
...
There is a "people think they are better than average" rule, rather than whatever Dunning-Kreuger suggested.

[-] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 15 hours ago

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[-] LongLive@lemmy.world 2 points 14 minutes ago

Thank you, I made amends.

[-] Tibi@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 16 hours ago

I think it's sus that a Math Lecturer decides to post an article about philosophy and then doesn't describe any of the steps he took. The article basically just says i did a thing, but doesnt explain what he did/how to reproduce the result... On the other hand, philosophy is a field with many wrong conclusions and the like, so it is believable. But again in my eyes it's not proven, since it's just 'one guy' saying something and not replicated nor reproduced.