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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 166 points 1 month ago
[-] groet@feddit.org 117 points 1 month ago

It could. It just doesn't want to. Why would it? Its your computer.

If you want to delete / including the EFI partition turning your machine into a paperweight you should be allowed to do so.

[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

I don't want my mom to be able to turn her computer into a paperweight...

[-] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 86 points 1 month ago

Don't give her sudo permission then.

[-] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago

How she will install anything then

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 50 points 1 month ago

Just to be clear, the person answering Flatpaks isn't being flippant. Any tools, editors or games that Mom wants, she can safely install by searching and clicking 'intall', all without enough permissions to harm her computer.

Linux, for less technical parents, is genuinely really nice, now.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 month ago

you can add sudo permissions for individual users for certain commands only; and i recommend you would do that; i.e. give her sudo permission for installing/uninstalling applications, but nothing else.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 17 points 1 month ago
[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

My dad never uses anything other than a browser and an email program. I guess the file manager? I'm pretty sure he never installed anything on Mint so far.
He still needs sudo to uodate tho.

[-] syklemil@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago

You can give her limited sudo rights; even limit her to install and upgrade operations.

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[-] SARGE@startrek.website 16 points 1 month ago

/j then you don't love your mother enough to learn coding and make a mom-proof distro.

/uj oh my god I have ptsd from the one time my parents tried to switch to apple products. It lasted less than a week. Please don't let them decide to switch to Linux and ask me things.

[-] LinyosT@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 month ago

While that is possible. You do have to go out of your way to do that in ways a typical user wouldn’t.

Aside from that like others have said. Just don’t give sudo perms and have them use Flatpak.

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago

It's a good thing that new and unexperienced users who want to learn 😃 on the internet get recommendations such as "use rm -fr / to remove the french language pack and fix your localization issues" and then ending up with an expensive, broken hardware (/s)

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 21 points 1 month ago

SELinux: I'm sorry Dave, we don't do that here.

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[-] blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 109 points 1 month ago

Installing old Linux applications IS a problem. They're available only if someone repackaged them for newer distros. If not they can't run anymore because of dependencies mismatch.

[-] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 month ago

This is a good reason for static linking. All the dependencies are built into the binary, meaning it is more portable and future proof.

We don't need flatpak for this!

[-] highball@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Just supply the dependencies with a chroot. That's how we did it before distro maintainers started including the 32bit libraries into the 64bit OS.

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[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 month ago

My favourite thing about updates on my work Mac is when you say 'try in one hour' thinking it'll ask you then an hour later it aggressively closes your programs. I use Linux, Mac and Windows regularly and Mac has by far the worst update experience out of all of them imo.

[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 53 points 1 month ago

I've clicked the "install updates tonight" button a bunch of times, it consistently fails to update and then I have to force it to update the next morning. Incredibly poor experience.

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[-] Marty_Man_X@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Yes but it also reopens everything exactly as you left it, meaning you can update and not loose anything mission critical; ymmv ofc but in my personal experience MacOS has the best update experience from mainstream OS

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can also remove the fr*nch language pack via rm -fr /

But in all seriosity, i tried to install Linux dual-boot with Windows on my dad's computer last weekend, and it broke the windows install because it doesn't support bitlocker (apparently). Maybe i could have gotten it to work, but i abandoned the project after the first failed attempt. Still a bit salty about that. Especially since it was meant to be a demonstration how "quick and easy" installing Linux nowadays supposedly is.

[-] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 29 points 1 month ago

The best way to dual boot windows and linux is with separate drives, not partitions imo.

[-] tempest@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

You're missing the last step, throw out the windows drive.

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[-] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 17 points 1 month ago

It is quick and easy. Maintaining any other OS side by side is always a bigger ordeal than not doing it. It breaks the other way around as well - If you were running some linux distro and then tried dual booting by installing windows - no way you'd be able to boot into linux without extra tweaking.

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[-] Comtief@lemm.ee 50 points 1 month ago

Linux: i can't stop dumb users (me) completely destroying everything with a bad console command

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 24 points 1 month ago

A great learning experience to not copy paste commands yoj don't understand.

[-] NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

But that's in my experience sadly very necessary especially in the beginning when you are getting into Linux. So getting into Linux has quite a steep learning curve because not knowing what you are copy pasting can have terrible consequences, but understanding everything before you copy paste is very demanding.
When out comes to my main rig, i never had the experience of everything just working out of the box. There was always something that required me searching for obscure fixes, hoping for the best.

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[-] palordrolap@fedia.io 23 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure that if you use elevated privileges to run commands you don't understand, you can break Windows just as much as you can break Linux. Windows might pop up an extra "Are you sure?" box or two though. It's been a while since I did anything on that OS.

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[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I much prefer that to Apple's approach of "you probably didn't want to do that, so you can't". I've literally had to boot into Linux to fix things on Macs. Fucking infuriating.

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[-] TheTwelveYearOld@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

"I can't delete bloatware" - all 3 of them

[-] Fabian@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago

I would say you can on do that on Windows and Android, but it is not intended by the OS and you have to work around certain measures. Linux just lets you do everything, even if it is a really bad idea

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[-] TheGingerNut 32 points 1 month ago

I'll say it once, I'll say it forever: Windows has better backward compatibility, period. Even compared to linux. Rebuilding an old open source linux app to work on a modern distro can be done, but it's a process that could take hours or days. And if you don't have the source code you're shit out of luck. Have fun getting that binary built against a 1 year old version of glibc to work. This, incidentally is what things like flatpak, docker and ubuntu's nonsense competitor to both (of which our hatred is entirely rational no really stop laughing) are trying to solve.

Meanwhile microsoft office still handles leap years wrong because it might break backwards compatibility with old documents. Binaries built for windows xp will usually just work on windows 11. Packages built for ubuntu 22.0 often won't run on ubuntu 23.0. You never notice this because linux are a culture of recompilers. Rebuilding every last package once a month is just how some distros roll. But that's not backwards compatibility, that's ongoing maintenance.

[-] scumola@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

Windows 11 isn't even backwards-compatible with 7-year-old CPUs! Run a 32-bit or 16-bit (dos) exe on Win11/x64? Think again. Windows drivers are always a pain in the butt. Load up an old driver for your favorite peripheral? Probably won't work.

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[-] itslilith 12 points 1 month ago

But is that desirable? I'd rather break things in favor of something better, and provide a way to make the old thing run, than be stuck with ancient baggage

Also, while that's true for software, compatibility for old hardware is horrible under Windows

[-] el_psd@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

I'd rather break things in favor of something better, and provide a way to make the old thing run, than be stuck with ancient baggage

Windows is office software first and foremost, designed to be used by people who neither know nor care what an "operating system" is. Every last one of these people is entirely incapacitated by even the most lovingly-crafted and descriptive error message. If Microsoft ever considered a policy like this, the city of Redmond would be razed to the ground inside twelve hours

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[-] subtext@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I can’t remember the original version of the comic, what does each one of them say?

[-] otto@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I find it hilarious that the first architecture change in 10 years, that happened seven years ago, still causes anxiety and pain for people who don’t even use that operating system and probably never did.

I wonder how much Linux usership is owed to people being completely incapable of dealing with a minor inconvenience they once encountered (or only saw a meme about) on an apple product.

The sun puts out less energy than is wasted by people hating on Apple for completely and utterly irrational reasons.

[-] qqq@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

An equal amount of wasted energy is output defending a trillion dollar corporation that doesn't care about those defending them at all. Apple be fine. Let's just use our computers and move on with our lives; it doesn't have to be personal.

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[-] kekmacska@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Android hate not tolerated. Android can delete system apps, if you aee root. On linux you can"t install or uninstall anything if you are not root

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 22 points 1 month ago

Considering how difficult it still can be to get root on Android, I understand the shade, though.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago

On linux you can"t install or uninstall anything if you are not root

Wrong. You can install Flatpak apps as a user, which are very similar to apps on Android.

[-] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can install ~~an~~ and uninstall Flatpak applications in Linux as normal user.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 11 points 1 month ago

On linux you can"t install or uninstall anything if you are not root

That's not true at all. You generally can't use your distribution's package manager to install or uninstall without elevated privileges. But you can download packages, or executables with their own installer, and unpack/install under your home directory. Or, you can compile from source, and if you ./configure'd it properly make install will put it under your home.

Standard Linux distributions don't place restrictions on what you can and cannot execute; if it needs permissions for device access of course you'll need to sort that out.

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