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[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

use truly foss apps. Anything that’s has a corp built around it is going to enshitify

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Self-hosting and FOSS are the way to go. We saw this demonstrated when Raspberry Pi started acting stupidly as a company. There are so many alternatives that it is easy to switch. Unfortunately some things are pretty tough to self-host, like email and anonymizing VPN. But there are a lot of low-hanging fruit that makes it less painful to divest from bad companies.

[-] Pulsar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?

[-] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

It's a generally recognised principle in economics that we want competition to take place, and for consumers to have a choice - for a plethora of reasons too large to list here. The most important IMO is a political one though: we don't want monopolies for the same reason we don't want monarchies and dictatorships. Being the sole provider of any very important product puts an obscene amount of power in the hand of a single corporation (or a handful of them). We never want that much power to be so concentrated in so few individuals, because it's fundamentally injust, and always leads to catastrophe. Also consider that if that power is a corporation or a "private" individual, they're not accountable to anyone but their shareholders (who, in turn never want the corp to be anything other than a money making machine). Even a dictator is more accountable to his subjects than a multinational corporation is to anyone. So there you have it, that's why we need alternatives.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

PLENTY of reasons if they oppose enshitification... but if they embrace it, then yes, they'll just be another pimple in the ass of enshitificated software

[-] Botunda@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Fucking look at YOU Gogole... Do no evil my ass! [youwerethechosenone.gif]

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Allows other competitors to exist

Chrome/edge are the same (yes, I know edge is technically better)

If everything only needs to adhere to chromium then chromium can put propriety code that only they are privy to and when web standards are made around it all competition can’t exist

We already have webapps that say they only work on chrome

[-] Katzenmann@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I've heard that it's a big hassle

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago

I've been eyeing FastMail.

Self hosting is almost impossible with email these days. Places like Gmail and Outlook are going to consider you automatically suspicious until you've proven otherwise. Can't prove otherwise until you have a lot of legit email going through. The only way to do that is to attach the domain to a service that's already proven.

This isn't even getting into the configuration issues of running an email server without it becoming a spam relay as soon as it's turned on.

[-] leraje 2 points 1 day ago

Depends what you want. If you want an experience like Proton with its own app then use Tuta. If you're happy with IMAP with a client like Evolution (Linux) or FairEmail (mobile for Android) or access via a website then mailbox.org are very good.

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I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀

[-] NewDay@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.

[-] twoface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Just chiming in to recommend Floorp. Have been using it for a few months now and really like it :D

[-] grepe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

i switched from firefox to waterfox on my phone and have yet to spot any difference.

i heard some websites might have issues (e.g. web versions of office software) and some settings are missing but in my own everyday use i didn't run into any of those yet.

[-] AdamUllstrom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!

[-] Botunda@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Can you get uBlock and bitwarden on there?

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I tried Zen on Arch. Wouldn't even load pages. I'd avoid it for a while. 🤷‍♂️

[-] Neuropain 6 points 1 day ago

I use Zen on Arch without issue. To be specific it's Arch Wayland with Wayfire.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Ah. I use it on X11/i3.

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[-] Darkhoof@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

What happened with Proton?

[-] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

The proton CEO praised Donald Trump's choice for who would lead the government's antitrust division, and now most of Lemmy think they're a Nazi company or something.

Just typical cancel culture bullshit. Where people choose to be outraged rather than attempting to understand a situation.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

They doubled down by leaving federated services in favor of Reddit, which certainly isn't a great look imo

[-] wabasso@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah I agree it’s been an extreme reaction. Perfect is the enemy of good. Maybe most proton users will be willing to seek out even lesser known alternatives and even self host. But if you’re going to talk to a casual user about getting off of Gmail and then you say “Oh but not Proton” then they’re just going to stick with Gmail.

[-] Botunda@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

and even self host.

You have a guide about how to self-host an anonymous VPN?

[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 89 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Isn't one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it's near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I'd wager some companies feel like they won't survive if they don't keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.

[-] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 98 points 2 days ago

Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.

The capitalist way.

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago

FOSS FOSS FOSS and self-host.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 44 points 2 days ago

the circle of online life

Get used to it. Nothing lasts forever.

[-] Acters@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Ah the chaos theory reasoning. There can't be anything perfect when thinking about it as a whole but you can find sections in a diversified area that are mostly perfect at some point in time but nothing ever lasts.

[-] kamen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's good to have some variety - after all different things get shitty in different ways.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago

Cool cool, lumping "I love fascists, actually" together with "We're clarifying our legal positions"

[-] LittleRatInALittleHat@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

So why does a free and ethical software need a user data collection policy that we have to agree to?

Why do they suddenly need to start collecting our data?

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

I assume because either their legal department, or it sounds like maybe this new exec Varma, thought that the previous language opened them up to potential liability in some jurisdictions.

The brightline for me is when the terms actually become onerous. If you were an extreme privacy nerd you were already using a fork anyway, for the average user there's nothing in the terms that's threatening yet IMO.

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 24 points 2 days ago

The mozilla thing seems to be mostly bad PR, but yeah...

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago

They took out the clause in their policy about not selling user data.

It's pretty obvious what follows that

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 21 points 2 days ago

https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos That sums it up. The definition of what counts as "selling data" changed...

The problem is that they can't or won't tell the users which data from what parts of the program they sell to whom for what purpose. Instead, they just make you give up all the rights to all your data in a blanket statement. (I think they did adjust the TOS a little bit, but it's still far from good)

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[-] not_IO 12 points 2 days ago

constructs like companies and software come and go but the individuals, the movement that strives for freedom stays the same

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn't get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.

Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.

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