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[-] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Isn't one of the point of the phenom of enshifitication that it's near ubiquitous? The reason it can continue is because it reached a critical mass, leaving us few workable alternatives, like a symptom of monopolization. I'd wager some companies feel like they won't survive if they don't keep up, not sure if that assessment is true but I bet many think it is.

[-] blandfordforever@lemm.ee 100 points 1 month ago

Enshitified product exists - > good alternative arises to meet demand - > good alternative becomes popular - > good alternative either becomes enshitified to maximize profits or is purchased by owner of original enshitified product.

The capitalist way.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 45 points 1 month ago

the circle of online life

Get used to it. Nothing lasts forever.

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago

FOSS FOSS FOSS and self-host.

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[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 24 points 1 month ago

The mozilla thing seems to be mostly bad PR, but yeah...

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

They took out the clause in their policy about not selling user data.

It's pretty obvious what follows that

[-] BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de 21 points 1 month ago

https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos That sums it up. The definition of what counts as "selling data" changed...

[-] schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago

The problem is that they can't or won't tell the users which data from what parts of the program they sell to whom for what purpose. Instead, they just make you give up all the rights to all your data in a blanket statement. (I think they did adjust the TOS a little bit, but it's still far from good)

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Everyone keeps saying this, but no one has an answer for why, if they're definitely going to start selling all our data, they didn't say that in the new terms? I'll get upset when they actually change them to be shitty.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago

Cool cool, lumping "I love fascists, actually" together with "We're clarifying our legal positions"

[-] LittleRatInALittleHat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

So why does a free and ethical software need a user data collection policy that we have to agree to?

Why do they suddenly need to start collecting our data?

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

I assume because either their legal department, or it sounds like maybe this new exec Varma, thought that the previous language opened them up to potential liability in some jurisdictions.

The brightline for me is when the terms actually become onerous. If you were an extreme privacy nerd you were already using a fork anyway, for the average user there's nothing in the terms that's threatening yet IMO.

[-] waterore@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’m trying out 3 different browsers atm and I think I’ll just keep all 3 and cycle though or use at different privacy settings. I will miss Firefox and not having to think about my browser. Can’t wait to watch all 3 go to shit as well.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

Librewolf seems exactly the same, but it breaks Lemmy for me. It's probably a setting I didn't know to turn off.

[-] LKC@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

It's likely the resist fingerprinting option. It breaks many websites or those that use bot checking thing.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

I'll try some testing around those features.

[-] ech@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago

Don't hold out on us! Which browsers?

I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀

[-] NewDay@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.

[-] AdamUllstrom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!

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[-] twoface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Just chiming in to recommend Floorp. Have been using it for a few months now and really like it :D

[-] grepe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

i switched from firefox to waterfox on my phone and have yet to spot any difference.

i heard some websites might have issues (e.g. web versions of office software) and some settings are missing but in my own everyday use i didn't run into any of those yet.

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

This thread got removed where it listed all of the things reddit collects, but we shouldn't get complacent here either. We need to check our instances.

Some of the instances do this here. This is not a 100% haven. It’s great and waaaay better, but still, check into your instances, Lemmies.

[-] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

use truly foss apps. Anything that’s has a corp built around it is going to enshitify

[-] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Self-hosting and FOSS are the way to go. We saw this demonstrated when Raspberry Pi started acting stupidly as a company. There are so many alternatives that it is easy to switch. Unfortunately some things are pretty tough to self-host, like email and anonymizing VPN. But there are a lot of low-hanging fruit that makes it less painful to divest from bad companies.

[-] Katzenmann@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I've heard that it's a big hassle

[-] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

I've been eyeing FastMail.

Self hosting is almost impossible with email these days. Places like Gmail and Outlook are going to consider you automatically suspicious until you've proven otherwise. Can't prove otherwise until you have a lot of legit email going through. The only way to do that is to attach the domain to a service that's already proven.

This isn't even getting into the configuration issues of running an email server without it becoming a spam relay as soon as it's turned on.

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[-] Pulsar@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?

[-] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

It's a generally recognised principle in economics that we want competition to take place, and for consumers to have a choice - for a plethora of reasons too large to list here. The most important IMO is a political one though: we don't want monopolies for the same reason we don't want monarchies and dictatorships. Being the sole provider of any very important product puts an obscene amount of power in the hand of a single corporation (or a handful of them). We never want that much power to be so concentrated in so few individuals, because it's fundamentally injust, and always leads to catastrophe. Also consider that if that power is a corporation or a "private" individual, they're not accountable to anyone but their shareholders (who, in turn never want the corp to be anything other than a money making machine). Even a dictator is more accountable to his subjects than a multinational corporation is to anyone. So there you have it, that's why we need alternatives.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

PLENTY of reasons if they oppose enshitification... but if they embrace it, then yes, they'll just be another pimple in the ass of enshitificated software

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[-] not_IO 12 points 1 month ago

constructs like companies and software come and go but the individuals, the movement that strives for freedom stays the same

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

What about Proton? If you mean the fiasco a few weeks back then that's a false alarm where the internet just went apeshit over an innocent remark.

Edit: From what I've seen from these replies, it's all false alarms and nothing actually implicates Proton here. A Swiss company is not obligated to put up a disclaimer saying Trump bad every time they want to talk about American politics (which they only do so far as it pertains to their privacy mandate).

[-] not_IO 23 points 1 month ago
[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

The article says they were literally forced to comply with the request by Swiss Law as the request went through the proper legal channels.

They also only disclosed the accounts recovery email address. Everything else was obtained by Apple.

Why is reading sources so hard for people?

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Because it's much easier to get angry about misleading headlines. Comprehension is difficult.

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[-] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Also their announcement to stop posting on Mastodon and this blogpost

The blog post where they talk about privacy being a non-partisan issue that effects people everywhere on the political spectrum, and warn the reader that Donald Trump is going to have effectively no checks on his power?

[-] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, the one where they talk about this not being Trumps fault even though he is the fucking president and about all terror the right experienced under the previous administrations

And they're right, it's not Trump's fault that the NSA is as powerful and secretive as they are today, this is a problem decades in the making.

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[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've been trying the duckduckgo browser, I think I may stick with it. No idea what to do about email

[-] TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

I've started migrating from Proton to Mailbox.org. Mailbox supports IMAP, and they have a calendar as well. https://mailbox.org/en/

[-] Darkhoof@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

What happened with Proton?

[-] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

The proton CEO praised Donald Trump's choice for who would lead the government's antitrust division, and now most of Lemmy think they're a Nazi company or something.

Just typical cancel culture bullshit. Where people choose to be outraged rather than attempting to understand a situation.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

They doubled down by leaving federated services in favor of Reddit, which certainly isn't a great look imo

[-] wabasso@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah I agree it’s been an extreme reaction. Perfect is the enemy of good. Maybe most proton users will be willing to seek out even lesser known alternatives and even self host. But if you’re going to talk to a casual user about getting off of Gmail and then you say “Oh but not Proton” then they’re just going to stick with Gmail.

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