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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago

What if the population is stabilizing? Unlimited growth is death. Anyone who thinks differently hasn't looked at how life works. That a population that undergoes a huge increase crashes due to starvation and disease. This is observable from bacteria to humans. It could be Japan is entering a stable period where needs and resources are predictable and known. Sounds like a higher standard of living to me. The downside is the huge geriatric population will need more and more resources until that situation becomes part of the new stable norm.

Stagnant is how a capitalist mindset sees it. They can't stand that since their scam depends on unlimited growth. So of course any take on this from the stand point of greed would think its a terrible thing for a population to shrink to fit its resources not keep growing to allow ever increasing profits.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 37 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Taiwanese family living in Taiwan and frequent Japan prior to having kids and after having kids.

Most people are quick to point out the gruesome work culture, but honestly, that is just a small part of the total issue.

1- Japanese people culturally hate outsiders. So their immigration system is setup to almost never give a foreigner citizenship.

2- Japanese people culturally have a mindset that if you pop one out, it's you and only you that share that burden. That means that if you're on a train and struggling with a crying toddler that is tired of standing, nobody and I mean nobody will let you have their seat. Half the patrons will turn up their volume on their headset and the other half with mean mug/glare at you for annoying them. You wanna know the worst part. This mindset transcends to the kid's grandparents. That's right. The grandparents will not lift a finger to help you.

Edit: I also want to add that the burden is not even on the father, outside of the finances. The father does not need to help with any baby duties. I have met many Japanese men that has kids that has never even changed a diaper. Why the fuck would a Japanese woman want to have kids?

3- The government is not making it easy to help the families. Do you have a sleeping kid in a stroller? Well, you better hold the kid if you're using mass transit. Elevators are an afterthought. So once you get off a train, you either have to walk an extreme distance to get to an elevator or in some instances there isn't even an elevator at all. In some rare occasion there is a designated elevator for strollers and wheel chair access, it's jammed packed with people who is able-bodied and can take the escalator, all of which won't exit the elevator to let people with wheel chairs or strollers in.

I went to Osaka Universal studios and ask to rent a stroller. The guy didn't speak English at all. We eventually used my phone to translate and he asked me my kids age. I said 5. He said, is today his birthday? I said no. He turned 5 a few weeks ago. He then poceeds to deny me from renting a stroller. I reasoned with him telling him my kid is having major jet lag and needs a place to sleep right now. He told me to just go back to the hotel to sleep because he wasn't going to rent a stroller to me.

I love Japan and the Japanese people, but honestly they all hate kids.

[-] Gewoonmoi@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

All people are wired to 'hate' outsiders. Countries are forced to open up in order to keep economic growth going. The US needs to import people in order to keep the growth going on. The same with Western Europe. Japan basically took the economic stagnation and said no to opening itself up. I wonder whether that was mostly a top-down sort of decision or not.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

As someone who has always heard how nice Japanese people are, I'm surprised they hate kids that much.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

They are courteous and very respectful. It's built into the culture and even their language. One simple sentence like hello, how are you have multiple ways of saying it depending on who you're addressing. Addressing incorrectly is very disrespectful. So the culture overly respectful.

[-] Techranger@infosec.pub 4 points 10 hours ago

This was very insightful, thank you for sharing!

[-] Gewoonmoi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Isn't Tokyo to be one of the most affordable major, developed cities in the world? The article suggests that Japanese homes are exceptionally expensive.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

The tradition in japan is to level a house and build a new one. It was explained to me that very few have multigenerational single family dwellings. This would increase cost.

[-] vane@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

Management issues... I know what can help... Introduce Agile.

[-] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

People now realise that kids are a lot of hard work and fucking expensive.....and that yearly skiing holidays are fun.

[-] Shou@lemmy.world 31 points 16 hours ago

I'm sure artificially lowering female med student's grades to increase drop-outs amoung women will help with the financial stability and job security needed to raise a child!

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 11 points 12 hours ago

There's also no support for women with children there, career wise

[-] Shou@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

South Korea allows women to be fired if they 1) want, or 2) have children.

[-] ItsJannnneee 30 points 18 hours ago

I love Japan, but I will say it has its issues that often get overlooked. Workplace culture is horrific in Japan and it contributes to their high suicide rates. There's even a word in Japanese that specifically refers to a person dying from being overworked. I know friends who immigrated to Japan, only to regret it because they saw for themselves just how harsh the workplace culture was. Japanese people have no time for their family. Something must change or this problem is going to get worse but given it's a highly conservative culture I'm not sure it's going to see changes anytime soon.

[-] TinMod@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

Jokes on you

America has higher rates of overwork and suicide!

[-] markko@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago

Yeah but it's not exactly fair to compare the US to a developed country

[-] FalseDiamond@sh.itjust.works 7 points 16 hours ago

It has two actually, karoshi and karojisatsu, death from being overworked and suicide from being overworked. Etimologically speaking, that gives you some idea of how big the problem is, kind of like the old adage about eskimos or inuits having six words for "snow".

[-] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Known I am a bit obtuse, or perhaps litteral, but I am Norwegian and have more words for snow. Think English have more words for snow. Think texture. Powder, sleet, sugary, slush, crusty, hoar, rime.

[-] SCmSTR 2 points 13 hours ago

Why is their workplace harsh?

Is it conservative because old people outnumber the young people and have for so long? You give a dominant demographic enough influence over time, they'll try to make the rest of society like them. Old.

Also, is it so old because Japan has a really high life expectancy? Or has that been taken into account?

[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It’s cultural. Japanese are less individualistic than the west. They live their lives that is more geared toward what will help the community and not just themselves. Less than hundred years ago they viewed their emperor as a living god. So back then the Japanese were indoctrinated to live their lives in service of the emperor. Basically how North Koreans treat their leader today, which is a cultural remnant from Japan since Korea was a Japanese colony. (That the imperial family are descendants from gods is an 8th century myth and was reintroduced during the Meiji restoration. Before the Meiji restoration the Japanese didn’t give a fuck about the imperial family)

So that cultural attitude still lives today in a watered down form. Instead of serving the emperor it’s about serving the community and country. And of course corporations can’t help themselves but to exploit that. That attitude has been fading with every generation after the war but it’s still so deeply ingrained that corporations can easily manipulate their workers.

[-] rekabis@programming.dev 73 points 21 hours ago

In the context of Capitalism, sure, Japan is in trouble.

But then again, any system that demands infinite growth within a finite system has a biological parallel… in cancer. Yes, capitalism is economic cancer.

Japan has a bright future in front of it, if it can successfully pioneer an effective degrowth system that prioritizes the lives of people over Paraiste-Class profits.

[-] Arehandoro@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

It can, but will it?

[-] Echofox@lemmy.ca 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Japans GDP has been almost flat since the mid 90s, they are not following the west's """infinite""" growth. Not that I'm saying capitalism isn't part of the problem, it absolutely is, just saying it isn't the entire story.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 21 hours ago

Outside of capitalism it is hard to function below replacement level because the young people have to take care of the elderly

[-] SCmSTR 5 points 13 hours ago

Oh no, having to spend time with my family oh nooo /s

If rent weren't so damn high and you didn't have such a squeeze on every moment of your life to make as much money too survive, spending time and supporting each other efficiently maybe wouldn't be a problem.

Values are defined by our parents? Is it a caste system? Is extended family more or less efficient? What is the goal: sustainability, B R E E D I N G, vacations, wealth compared to others, power over others, power over ourselves? Etc....

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 18 points 21 hours ago

Young people would have time to take care of the elderly if they weren't forced to work 60+ hour weeks consistently

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[-] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Is cancer really cancer if the rest of the body can adapt and grow faster than it? You describe capitalism as a finite system and then heavily imply that we’re near the outer boundary of that system or that all current and future resources are almost depleted.

[-] Carl@lemm.ee 6 points 13 hours ago

The fact that our planet's resources are finite is a matter of physics. Capitalism may come up with some innovation or another that adds more lifespan to it, the way that digital spaces and the financial industry have done, or it may have another global war that creates room for a new period of traditional growth at the cost of countless lives, but it will inevitably hit an insurmountable wall.

[-] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 78 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No one has time for family in Japan

When I watch yt videos about people leaving the workplace at 10pm, I wonder how suicide rate isn't way higher

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

There's a reason so much anime these days is a salaryman dying on the job and reincarnating into a fantasy world.

[-] JordanZ@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I think I like the premise a bit more than the show. Zom 100 is about a kid who starts a soul crushing office job only to become the happiest guy alive after the zombie apocalypse starts and he realizes he doesn’t need to go to work anymore.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 134 points 1 day ago

You can tell capitalism is super efficient and sustainable by how it totally collapses without fresh babies to sacrifice.

[-] Rinox@feddit.it 6 points 13 hours ago

Thing is, we don't really know what's the reason for the current worldwide trend in much, much lower natality rate. We've observed in rich countries and poor countries, religious and atheist countries, capitalist and communist countries (both USSR and PRC, who have had very different economic systems), in countries with no safety nets but also in countries with large social programs, in western countries, but also in eastern countries.

The only thing I can think of these days is education level. Is it possible that education is inversely correlated with natality rates? Or maybe women in the workforce. I'm not arguing for either point, I'm just thinking about what the cause of a world-wide issue might be, because it's happening everywhere and seemingly without any clear common cause.

[-] DrSlippyNips@eviltoast.org 5 points 12 hours ago

There's plenty of research out there that shows educating women leads to reduced rates of teenage pregnancy and total number of children. Like its pretty damn solid evidence that educating women helps them make informed family planning decisions.

I think a bigger problem is increasing infertility rates and how many people need to use IVF to conceive in the first place. Something worldwide is disrupting our hormones and affecting our ability to reproduce. Even if someone had everything they needed and wanted to support a child, they might not physically be able to create one or carry a pregnancy to term.

[-] Fluke@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

Nothing to do with the plastics and their additives building up in our bodies that act on the endocrine system, no sir.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 11 points 23 hours ago

Any system would collapse without newer generations.

[-] Triasha@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

True, but no other system disincentives children like capitalism.

[-] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago

Except only one of those systems depends on the exploitation of the working class, ya know, your breeding live stock. Only one of those system destroys a work life balance. Only one leaves the population with little free time and shrinking resources with which to have and raise a kid. Japan is past, and the US is passing, the tipping point. Society may deem it necessary but the potential parents recognize it as untenable.
What happens when the orphan crushing machine has no orphans?

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