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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[-] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

He did something much worst then humiliating x or y. Everyone already knew he is a clown, but he pretty much blown any credibility USA still had as a partner for anything, see also tariffs and threatening 2 allies (Canada and Greenland)

This is Don Corleone beheivior, I give you 100 billions in old military equipment and you give me 500 back, really?

Also, USA offered security guarantees on '90s when Ukraine gave back the nukes to Russia. Officials didn't forget that, maybe Trump did.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 5 points 15 hours ago

Trump would say that the deal was done under incompetent old management and it is not valid under him. As if the government is now his and not the old.

[-] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Ok, then his validation as president was done by the same incompetent old management and it's not valid.

He can say what he wants. International treaties are international treaties. If you break them you loose your credibility, if you still have any after threating to invade your allies.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago

half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky

[-] CumMagottySattanFart@lemmy.cafe 5 points 19 hours ago

The united states is a clown of a country for three decades.

[-] ben_dover@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.

[-] Elkot@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

[-] Godthrilla@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 3 points 18 hours ago

So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.

Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.

Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other's interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.

So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we're helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.

[-] liuther9@feddit.nl 4 points 22 hours ago

Illusion of choice

[-] DTguess@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago

I'd like a refund please, I didn't agree to this.

[-] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

[-] iiinnnn@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

He doesn’t think it, Krasnov simply knows he has to keep repeating that talking point to get people that haven’t seen the “discussion” to side with him. Why this talking point instead of another? Using the same criticism against the other side turns it into a matter of whose word those people value more to begin with. It’s him relying on his popularity. Those that don’t value Krasnov more (that also haven’t seen it) could potentially be swayed to at least think both sides were in the wrong.

[-] oascany@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

You know there's something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.

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[-] dmtalon@infosec.pub 269 points 2 days ago

Most embarrassed I've been to call myself an american. And I'm a veteran.

Absolutely disgusting.

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 93 points 2 days ago

I'm so angry and embarrassed. What a total shit show.

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[-] blattrules@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago

I was pretty embarrassed when he was elected the first time, then really embarrassed when he was elected the second time too, but yeah, this is a new low.

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[-] klant@lemm.ee 193 points 2 days ago

The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It's almost unbelievable that this actually occurred...

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

I don't think Ukraine is an ally anymore. I don't think much of Europe is our ally at this point

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 31 points 2 days ago

I'm certainly not an ally, and I live here.

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[-] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 76 points 2 days ago

Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 35 points 2 days ago

This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn't says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 144 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.

He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.

He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.

If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago

What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

It's an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He's a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.

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[-] somewa@suppo.fi 115 points 2 days ago

Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago

And the sad part is that even if we can get our act together and pull put of this, our former allies would be justified in not getting too close, because we've demonstrated that we could just allow the morons back in at the next election to burn it all down again.

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 100 points 2 days ago

At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.

The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.

So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.

That's the kind of idiot he has always been.

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[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they're humiliating their victims.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can't bring myself to look at the cancer.

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