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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[-] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

He did something much worst then humiliating x or y. Everyone already knew he is a clown, but he pretty much blown any credibility USA still had as a partner for anything, see also tariffs.

This is Don Corleone beheivior, I give you 100 billions in old military equipment and you give me 500 back, really?

Also, USA offered security guarantees on '90s when Ukraine gave back the nukes to Russia. Officials didn't forget that, maybe Trump did.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

Trump would say that the deal was done under incompetent old management and it is not valid under him. As if the government is now his and not the old.

[-] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Ok, then his validation as president was done by the same incompetent old management and it's not valid.

He can say what he wants. International treaties are international treaties. If you break them you loose your credibility, if you still have any after threating to invade your allies.

[-] ben_dover@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.

[-] CumMagottySattanFart@lemmy.cafe 5 points 9 hours ago

The united states is a clown of a country for three decades.

[-] jmsy@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago

half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 36 points 17 hours ago

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

[-] Elkot@lemmy.world 52 points 22 hours ago

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

[-] Godthrilla@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.

Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.

Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other's interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.

So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we're helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.

[-] liuther9@feddit.nl 3 points 11 hours ago

Illusion of choice

[-] DTguess@lemmy.ca 12 points 19 hours ago

The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.

[-] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

I'd like a refund please, I didn't agree to this.

[-] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

[-] iiinnnn@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

He doesn’t think it, Krasnov simply knows he has to keep repeating that talking point to get people that haven’t seen the “discussion” to side with him. Why this talking point instead of another? Using the same criticism against the other side turns it into a matter of whose word those people value more to begin with. It’s him relying on his popularity. Those that don’t value Krasnov more (that also haven’t seen it) could potentially be swayed to at least think both sides were in the wrong.

[-] oascany@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago

You know there's something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 21 hours ago

You know there’s something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.

did you know there are BYD chinese cars sold all over europe.
if they are US allies - how does that happen?

[-] oascany@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

What does this have to do with what I said

[-] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 7 points 16 hours ago

What a moronic thing for Trump to have said when nearly everything anyone in the United States buys/uses comes from China.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 16 hours ago

Not cars tho.

[-] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago

Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago

This should have been over the second he mocked that disabled reporter, the fact that it didn't says more about America as a country than the fact that it was allowed to get HERE.

[-] klant@lemm.ee 192 points 2 days ago

The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It's almost unbelievable that this actually occurred...

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[-] dmtalon@infosec.pub 267 points 2 days ago

Most embarrassed I've been to call myself an american. And I'm a veteran.

Absolutely disgusting.

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[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 day ago

I'm with Trump on Ukraine.

And I don't support Trump on other issues.

It's fucking stupid supporting them. Whole thing started back in the days, but the world changed dramatically since.

[-] match@pawb.social 14 points 1 day ago

how is life in Russia nowadays, by the way? we get almost no reports of it other than the occasional protestors getting shut down

[-] Mistic@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Inflation of food prices is very noticeable. Still manageable, though.

Taxes are getting higher.

Lots of services can't be paid for due to sanctions. Some payments are possible, but for a premium.

Roscomnadzor still pisses everybody off. They're slowing down YouTube to an unusable rate. They claim it's Google's hardware degrading (It's not). Then there's Discord being blocked, and now they seemingly want to target Steam for some unknown reason (the reason is VKontacte needs more money).

More insane legislature is being talked about.

The lingering threat of being drafted or randomly killed by a drone isn't gone, which is emotionally draining.

People want peace. Yet, put responsibility on incumbent. (Think: "We had no say in it, they started it, they'll finish it")

Opposition? What opposition? Everybody's either jailed or were forced to leave the country. They'll literally lock up a single father up if he dares to show disagreement with their "special military operation." And the kid? Who cares? They don't matter to our very just and absolutely not corrupt courts. (Sry, still fuming about that story. Hope the judge and the principal will rot in hell)

That's about it. Source: me, also russian news media and official legislature sources

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 20 hours ago
[-] match@pawb.social 5 points 19 hours ago

huh, i was wondering about life in Russia

[-] gadfly1999@lemm.ee 5 points 16 hours ago

It tracks. US may as well be a Russian colony at this point

[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago

So... If China tries to take Taiwan, is that ok? Is it perfectly normal for the US to threaten to take Greenland and Panama?

Or are we pretending that war, genocide and taking over neighboring counties is just a one-off situation?

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago

Yes. And I will tell you even more - we can't do shit for Taiwan.

It's too far away to resupply, and legally - it belongs to China.

[-] dellish@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

The fuck are you talking about?? The US managed to resupply in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years,and they're a LOT further away.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

years,and they’re a LOT further away.

but its completely different situation.
those were 3rd word countries that were without any strong party backing.
with Taiwan - what's your plan? openly engage China? start ww3 over Taiwan?
this is - i'm sorry - this is fucking nuts.

US can't win that even with conventional weapons, those transports gonna be sunk before getting anywhere close to Taiwan.

[-] dellish@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

No no, you said "too far away to resupply". I claim bullshit. I never suggested it was a good idea.

[-] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

In that case the US should be British still. Fucking uppity colony is what it is.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 20 hours ago

come and take it

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Troops in Vietnam had ice cream and cold Coca Cola.

There are mobile Burger Kings that can be loaded into military supply transports.

That’s just food.

You have no idea the capabilities of US logistics. Why do you think we have military bases on 6 continents and half the countries in the fucking world. It’s not just for fucking fun. The whole point is that the US can have a fully supplied fighting force anywhere in the world within a couple days.

Go lick fascist boots somewhere else. I still stand by the idea that democracy should be defended.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 1 points 21 hours ago

Why do you think we have military bases on 6 continents and half the countries in the fucking world.

completely different situation.
Vietnam - US was fighting against 3-rd world country. Sure with USSR/China backing, but indirect still.

When you talk about Taiwan - you are talking about directly engaging China for a Chinese island that's 60 miles from China and thousands of miles from US.
how do you picture that going?
if there is a hot war between US and China that's somehow without nuclear (again - im asking you how is it going to be without nuclear) -> none of those transports gonna reach Taiwan for resupply.

it's a simple production math - they can outbuild US in rockets probably 10 to 1 and with modern technology - none of US carriers/strike groups gonna be able to do shit. they gonna be sunk super quick.

math is not mathing - give that fucking island to China, I dont want ww3 because of it.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago

What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

It's an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He's a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 144 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.

He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.

He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.

If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.

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[-] somewa@suppo.fi 114 points 2 days ago

Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.

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