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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Summary

Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff, in a CNN interview with Jake Tapper, failed to specify any Russian concessions in a potential Ukraine peace deal despite detailing demands on Ukraine.

After claiming a "friendship" with Putin, Witkoff spoke vaguely about "territorial" and "economic" concessions from both sides. He also claimed a U.S.-Ukraine deal on raw earth minerals would be signed soon.

When confronted with Russian state TV footage suggesting Trump’s stance aligns with Putin’s, Witkoff insisted diplomacy requires communication.

His remarks fueled concerns over Trump’s approach to Russia and Ukraine.

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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 169 points 4 months ago

I've seen a LOT of russian/trump, "it's a mystery if they're in bed together" type posts for the past few days. It made me pull out the bookmarks from the first term. Here is some ammo if anyone needs it (other stuff is mixed in). Remember, leave the link and depart. If you're explaining, you're losing.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/33277983

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

"Haven't they paid enough with the lives of their dear boys?"

[-] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 141 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I remain unimpressed by CNN reporters because he has not asked the most important question: What will guarantee Russia's adherence to any kind of peace deal?

It's boring to repost it the Nth time but the 1994 Budapest Memorandum was quite clear about these matters:

  1. Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders
  2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories...
  3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest...
  4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".

Yet, putin kicked nearly every single point in the memorandum the moment he felt ready. Why would the same leader act differently in the future?

It's eerily similar in my view to the Abraham accords. Trump negotiated bypassing Palestinians and then we got Oct 7 and the war that spiraled from it. These "deals" are as flimsy as a CyberTruck, but it's also very trumpy. He gets to act like a peacemaker and then his successor will deal with the consequent shit. Same thing happened in Afghanistan.

*edit: also, if someone wants to be "fair" (i'd rather say naive) one can consider the official Russian narrative, but again that narrative explicitly goes against the Budapest Memorandum, meaning, they are very open about not respecting treaties they sign.

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[-] Nougat@fedia.io 121 points 4 months ago

That's because there aren't any.

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[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 110 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Meanwhile Zelensky is saying he'll give up the presidency in exchange for NATO membership.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9vx01evp9o

[-] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 76 points 4 months ago

Is that a concession? I don't think he actually wants to be president anymore.

Don't get me wrong, it's the correct "deal" to make - it's the most overt declaration he can make to those who claim he wants to be dictator for life - I just think it's probably a win/win for him.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago

Win win win to be honest. It's just further proof he doesn't want to be the dictator he's accused of being.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 30 points 4 months ago

And further proof he's the much better diplomat/politician than those who exclude him.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Is that a concession?

It's absolutely a concession, and a very big one too. It's a concession to the Trump allegations that Zelenskyy is a dictator. And this bullshit argument was given as one of the reasons he wasn't invited to the talks in Saudi Arabia.

I don’t think he actually wants to be president anymore.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a very big concession.

[-] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago

It might be the correct deal, but it worries me. I can only imagine the people saying he wants to be a dictator are those that want a Putin style election to install another puppet. I know they have to have elections at some point - it's just a worry!

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I highly doubt any Russian aligned party or candidate would win any office. Doubtful they'd survive the election in a place like Mariupol or Sebastopol.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

Winning’s overrated

Wonder how we can protect exit polling - that’s how we know Maduro stole so big.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I mean the Ukrainian people are currently fighting against a Russian invasion. This could be a problem in a decade or so. But not anytime soon.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Even the EU vasals have nothing to say.
Blindly follow the leader, jump when they say. Even let them blow up their cheap gasline and ruin their economy.
Not one peep. And now they are surprised they get no respect? LOL.
What does this guy think he has of weight?
His new US master will decide for him, that's what happen when you allow your country to be used as a proxy.
As if there weren't enough examples of US 'friends' thrown under the bus.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Whoah, you get paid to spout all that or are you volunteering your time?

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

That is demonstrably false with a mere glance at the news headlines.

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[-] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago

Incredible that Trump remains so mad that Obama got a Nobel Peace Prize that he’s willing to literally just order an ally to give up so he can claim he made the peace and demand his prize. He really was just entirely broken by a black man being president.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 68 points 4 months ago

This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.

Trump is an agent of putin's will and he's carrying out russia's foreign policy by demanding the full surrender of ukraine.

[-] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This has nothing to do with obama or peace prizes.

Oh, you bet it does. Don't be silly.

Both things can be true simultaneously. 🤷‍♂️

Along with some other as yet unnamed reasons/causes.

[-] takeda@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago

There are things trump does that are erratic, but if you look at his first term and now he always was very consistent when it came to Russia and putin.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

Furthering putin's major policy goals is the main responsibility this regime has. Trump's personal grudges and feelings are irrelevant in any area as important to putin as demanding ukraine's surrender.

Most events have multiple influencing causes. But in a hierarchy when the boss wants something, that's why it happens.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 47 points 4 months ago

We all knew the so-called "peace deal" was going to be rough but "US takes this half, Russia takes that half" is a new low even for him.

The EU needs to step up it's war machine. More manufacturing, more army, more WMDs. If we can't rely on the US then we need our own.

Sure, all that is expensive, but not half as expensive as not having it. There's a lot to be said for having a big stick you never have to use.

[-] gon@lemm.ee 29 points 4 months ago
[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

President Krasnov is a fucking bitch

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 27 points 4 months ago
[-] mtcerio@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Well at least he did not lie then!

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

The blind leading the lame

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

Their concession is sending someone to listen to the Trump guy.

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago

Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy, who met with Russian President Vladimir Putin last week, said a deal over Ukraine’s raw earth minerals could be signed this week.

The deal will be signed with Russia. Trump will want carve up Ukraine between the US and Russia.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Remember how the Nazis and the Soviet Union made a treat before WWII dividing Poland between them?

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

its the sudentlands made with germany by the allies without the country in attendance.

[-] Grabthar@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Trump just looks so weak here. So much for being a strongman. I guess he just likes being manhandled?

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Weird way to spell capitulation.

[-] sheetzoos@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Our cold war enemy has the president of the United States in his pocket.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 10 points 4 months ago

He might let us have Alaska. Trump'd probably take that deal.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Who is "us" to you in that sentence?

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago

The United States of Woosh

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

What are they talking about?!? Russia is obviously conceding half of Ukraine for the next 3 to 5 years. It is absolutely gracious of them to allow the people in Ukraine to borrow that territory until Russia feels like actually ruling it again!

/s

[-] Yash2120@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Yewah poor bohy

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I don't want to give Twitter any of my traffic, so I found it here: https://youtu.be/Tbr_4tbvImc

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Thanks

Detrackered Google’s little spyware - https://youtu.be/Tbr_4tbvImc

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[-] Litebit@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Should keep negotiation going, don't make any deal with Krasnov Trump too early. Always say it is due to US betrayal in Budapest Memorandum.

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