Does anyone else see that people having enough ammunition at home to keep up over six hours of gun fire is the real problem here?
You're right; the cops should have less ammo.
Cops shouldn't require any ammo for 99.9% of their jobs.
Who else is gonna shoot your dog?
The Second Amendment exists precisely so you can get in six hour stand offs with cops- James Madison
James Madison? Who the fuck is that? The second amendment is a God given right.
Don't be ridiculous, General Grant sniped God with a M1 Garand at the landing on Lexington Beach.
Human rights are demanded and earned by humans, with guns.
No. I see a man being forced out of his home at gunpoint as the problem here.
Guy doesn't have enough money for rent
Guy owns enough guns and ammunition to keep the police in standoff for 6½ hours
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But housing price was the issue? 🤔
How long was he collecting ammunition? Did he buy a box on payday once in a while for a few years, or did he go out to Walmart and buy everything he used?
Everyone seems to assume that this guy found out he'd be evicted and he immediately went and bought a rifle and 20,000 rounds of ammunition that evening. Bullets don't go bad, he probably bought them over a few years.
Hosting pricing is an issue, but you've got a point. Maybe not in this case.
There's a whole cavalcade of other issues here.
Here's what I read - I do not have the source but it was on a local Pittsburgh news site IIRC. He wasn't paying rent. House was his deceased brother's house which he bought in 1998 - not sure if shooter had inherited it or not, but there was something in excess of 15K owed for back taxes on it. An LLC paid the taxes on it and BOOM its their house - he filed paperwork with the state that they were scammers and he was contesting what he saw as an someone stealing his house. The LLC filed to have him evicted. Ultimately he made a bad decision to use a weapon and not a lawyer but he was ex-military and may have seen this as the last straw.
No, it isn’t a problem. Just because a car collector has 100 cars and commits a crime with one of them doesn’t make everyone else who enjoys collecting cars a criminal.
Also the eviction, and the cop response.
MUUUURICA FUCK YEAH!!!
I get that he fired first ( the eviction situation is a whole other bag of nuts) but couldn't 5 police officers with some tear gas have fixed this in 30 minutes with a lot less gunfire?
The guy was losing his home and he was scared. We don't know what his mental state was and we don't know how he came in to possession of so much fire power so I'm not going to assume he bought guns instead of paying his rent- I'm just going to assume that 75 officers and 6.5 hours of gunfire was obviously not the best way out of this situation.
Only if they were trained worth a damn and didn't have the biggest chip on their shoulders imaginable outside of an evangelical church.
couldn’t 5 police officers with some tear gas have fixed this in 30 minutes with a lot less gunfire?
I've got a theory that we'll never see investigated, and that's that dude is responsible for probably about the first ten shots and the rest of this "standoff" was police shooting in response to hearing their own gunfire.
Another responsible gun owner.
This is why I laugh when the ammmosexuals claims their arsenal protects them.
Thank you for the word "Ammosexuals". I LOVE it. It perfectly describes this kind of "people".
...I'll go way out on a limb and suggest that this could've been handled better.
Yeah, I mean, they could stop evicting people and sentencing them to homelessness.
That would be a start and would have avoided this entire thing.
I mean the guy could have not spent all his money on guns and ammo and pay rent?
Where are guns on Maslow's hierarchy of needs do you reckon?
Ammo costs far less than rent and lasts far longer then just a month when purchased.
It's also not essential, so...
(I know, I know, it's hard to admit that guns aren't the most important thing in life for you guys)
Apparently if you're sufficiently against property rights, they're vital.
Buying guns is better praxis than paying rent.
People should be allowed to occupy and damage any property they've set foot on once, not matter how expensive
People should have a home if the action here were to provide another housing option, then this wouldn't have happened. Also seems the person likely had a traumatic reason for being evicted and needed help.
I agree. But I probably wouldn't phrase that as "they could stop evicting people".
Even if well implemented social housing existed, one should still be able to evict people from expensive property they aren't willing or able to pay for.
Dude, shut the fuck up.
I hope you get to be in this dude's situation one day and you have to take your homelessness with a please and thank you, sir, may I have another.
He occupied a house, not an apartment. He got evicted because he wouldn't settle for less than a whole house.
I may be in this dude's situation one day. And you know what I'm gonna do? Move to a cheaper apartment.
We need to throw people on the streets otherwise we risk damage to private property!
Indeed. If you want anything better than the cheapest apartments to exist, you have to be able to evict people who can't afford more than the cheapest apartments.
Why didn't the cops just leave and then surprise arrest him two days later when he leaves for some groceries or something?
Obviously he wasn't a flight risk since he was literally in trouble for not wanting to leave. Did he have a hostage or something? Why was it time sensitive to arrest him that very day?
Because they wanted to murder him
'hey, why didn't police leave the guy alone during his illegal activities for some more days after letting him know that police is now involved and after noticing the high capability and willingness to use lethal force to sustain said illegal activities?' 'because they are all eeeeevilllll'
Yes.
Alternate phrasing: Single man takes on 75 cops for 6 straight hours.
End qualified immunity. They likely damaged other people's property and deprived they of their rights while endangering them.
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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