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I mean yeah, makes sense. Russia is a direct threat to us all. Fuck the US if they think their egg prices are more important than European security and not having dictators have their ways.
Am US citizen living in the UK. Can confirm.
Am UK citizen living in US. Halp.
Idk why you think me of all people is gonna help you lol. I’m not trading places. No take backsies! Find a Farage supporter and ask them!
Happy to send you branstons pickle or Cadbury or something to ease your anxiety, though.
They're right too. The US has the luxury of turning a blind eye. The UK and Europe does not.
As they always do. It's easy to build your "great" empire if all your wars and enemies are far away.
I think the UK can use this as an opportunity to improve relations with the EU, or to at least get a trade partner in Ukraine and to take a chunk of Russian assets. You get to be a good guy, and get rich by confiscating Putin's coffers.
Seriously, send in troops, and maybe the navy if Turkey permits. Do what American't.
Half of our military bases are occupied by the Americans and we need your permission to do anything.
With a little luck the orange shitler will withdraw troops from Europe (yeah, no, I don't dare to dream)
The simple reality is that it is not possible to maintain good relations with the US. Donald Trump is an idiot and a fascist whose agenda is driven by his whims as much as anything else. Starmer could bend over backwards to appease His Orange Majesty on every issue and Trump would still fuck the UK just because.
Am UK citizen, can confirm.
I can't believe we're betraying Ukraine for no reason.
Oh wait... Actually I can believe it, i knew it was going to happen, and I voted against it.
It's not for no reason, it's to make Putin happier, maybe extort a bunch of mineral rights out of Ukraine. See, plenty of reason...
Sure, you're right about that. I should have said no good reason.
British values on display here, it's not even marginal (48% for Ukraine vs 20% for Trump's America).
It's not often I'm proud of my country these days, but this is one of those rare moments.
I'm worried about the 32% abstaining / having no opinion, though.
There's always some percentage of people who are ignorant of global issues and want to stay out of things... You'd think they were Farage voters but actually they usually don't vote
Agreed. And hopefully our man Kier can stop cosplaying long enough to follow through on more military support.
As an EU citizen, we want good relations with USA, It's 100% Trump and Musk who are ruining it.
They are literally insane, and USA needs to remove them. Unless they do, I guess we can't be friends anymore.
Gonna be honest, i haven't agreed with that in 20 years, on account that the US can and will fuck over any ally it has if that has the slightest marginal gain for them. Any time the wind blows a different way, the US will throw all their allies under the bus. They are a greedy nation and poor allies.
They've spied on the EU, they applied tariffs on the EU, they have threatened the EU with invasion after we helped them in their fruitless war in the middle east and had to deal with the migrant crises that resulted from it basically alone ? Now we have to deal with meddling in democratic elections? Never again, i say. We go at it alone, we trade, but that's it.
Removing them isn't enough. Over 77 million people saw his previous term, looked at him now, and said "Yep! I want more of that!" And the media being complicit doesn't help, either.
I absolutely agree, American democracy seriously needs to be reformed, as it is it is at best a dysfunctional democracy. And I think the evidence should be very clear on that now.
it's up to whoever comes after trump to mend bridges with europe, it's a waste of diplomatic resources maintaining relations with trumps america
Yes, but it can't wait 4 years, because in 4 years Trump may have transformed USA government to a totalitarian regime.
Yeah, a LOT of Americans are treating this as business as usual, and it most certainly is not usual. Just because bad leadership has blown over in the past doesn't mean this is the same thing.
People are not panicking anywhere near the level they should because we need to take care of this NOW. Like now, now. I can't believe it ever got this far to begin with, but you are 100% right in saying that 4 years is far too long, and by then, it will be too late.
Half of the voters voted for Trump, so no thanks, I don't want to have good relations with the US. I want to isolate them as much as possible.
Half of the people who voted*
Trump got about the same number of votes this time as he did in the previous election (marginally less, I believe).
It makes little difference to point out, but it's good to remember that the Dems are a bunch of feckless corporate shills who lost the support of their voters, and about a third to half the country simply doesn't vote.
Trump is a symptom and the end result of deeply systemic and cultural issues here, and as an American, I hope you guys make it hurt. Maybe then we'll wake up to the problems here. I doubt it, but at least the economic collapse here will hopefully spare the rest of the world from a dementia patient with daddy Putin's leash on his collar swinging the biggest military budget in the world around like he's got something to compensate for.
- The third of the people who didn't vote had Trump previous to realize what he'd do and still said "Meh, either's fine with me." They're complicit.
And 2. I get so fucking sick and tired of the "Dems are corporate shills" when the left can't be faffed to show up at voting. I don't mean the 4 year presidential votes. I mean the yearly all the way to the local shit. You want to know how we got Trump? Because the ultra-right made it a point to get in bed with the republicans and beat down doors to tell people to vote to secure the supreme court, to secure state positions, to secure fucking school board positions.
I have never met someone who had interest in Republicans who didn't think they paid attention to the news. It may be Fox and Infowars but they paid some attention. If I had a nickle for every individual who was interested in left wing ideals but told me "I don't know. I don't like politics" I'd have enough to afford a plane ticket out of this fucking country.
You are right, the problem is very much a widespread attitude in USA.
They need to modernize their democracy, and they need to modernize their interpretation and regulation of what free speech is.
The 2 main reasons USA is as fucked up as it is now, is that the 2 party system undermines democracy, and way too much misinformation is allowed.
You can't build democracy on lies.
I really really hope Americans will wake up soon, and realize this.
I’m an American immigrant in Germany, and I’ve come to realize that most Americans are very naive about government. The US has been very successful in the short time it’s been around as a country, and I don’t think most Americans really realize that it won’t always be like that. At the same time, the education system has been gradually but thoroughly gutted.
I hope we can wake up, but I worry we might need to see for ourselves before we can actually learn. I just hope the rest of the world doesn’t indulge us so long that we take everyone else with us.
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As an American, yeah that’s the right choice.
It also needs to be said that you probably can’t remain on good terms with the US, given the current regime and their “negotiation tactics”.
We can only hope that in four years you let us earn your trust back
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I wouldn't say it's just more important, I'd say it's a moral imperative to support Ukraine's fight for it's sovereign land over keeping buddy-buddy with a government running rampant with corruption and Russian puppetry
Not to mention that once Russia is done with Ukraine they're not going to stop. Defending Ukraine is defending Europe.
Exactly. If anyone thinks Russia will stop at Ukraine, they're a fool
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Agreed. I would rather the UK have fewer allies of a higher moral calibre than play sycophant to a fascist cabal of degenerates.
A heart breaking romance.
"Hey US, I think we should take a break. It's not me, it's you... I know you've been cheating on me with Putin"
Coming soon to a theater near you.
Still a better love story than...
Actually, no, it's not.
As a Canadian you can't trust anything coming out of the Musk /Trump White House. Us in Canada no longer consider them friends.
They're threatening daily to take Canada by whatever means necessary. That's not an ally, that's a threat. Canada needs to protect itself, and the British people are quite right to back Ukraine. Trump is working with Putin to hand Ukraine to Russia. Russia will not stop its ambitions there and it is a threat to all of Europe.
Yesterday Trump threatened to pull US troops out of Europe if the EU did not agree to his and Putin's plan for Ukraine. It's a very clear threat: give Ukraine to Russia or we give you to Russia. Of course the USA in its current state would not defend Europe anyway. To me it looks like the plan is for Trump to seize Canada, Greenland, Panama, etc., while Putin grabs as much of Europe as he can.
Under these conditions what is NATO? Trump is deliberately destroying it.
So the UK, Canada and Europe need to stand firm against the alliance of the USA, Russia and those European countries that have gone over to fascism. The very existence of our countries is at stake.
And watch out for the far right at home, in the UK, Canada and Europe. Their loyalties do not lie with their countries, and they're being bankrolled and supported by powerful people internationally.
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American here: no objections whatsoever. This is the correct answer. Our government is a bag of dicks, and a lot of us hate it too.
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