Who do you blame more? The DNC or third party voters?

…yeah afaik there’s pretty good evidence that trans folks wouldn’t be culturally eliminated under the Biden administration. Do you disagree with that assumption?

I agree with that assumption. The thing I believe though, is that the Democratic Party leaned too heavily on that instead of focusing on what actually matters. And they did that because that was the only platform they could run on. They wanted to protect the status quo. And as we've seen at the inauguration, that same status quo was in the room cheering for Trump.

The years ahead will be difficult for sure, but I am hopeful that what will come out of the ashes, will be something better.

Just don’t puff out your chest about claiming to have clean hands when, given the single most pronounced choice we have in determining government for the next cycle, you prioritized trying to maintain a clean conscience over keeping Trump out of the white house.

I am not trying to come up on top. I was just responding to the commentator who was blaming the pro-palestine crowd for not voting for Kamala. They should have blamed the DNC instead.

In seeking to protest a genocide, they have invited the start of a second genocide on our fellow citizens, as well as accelerated the original genocide they were protesting. These effects could’ve been seen from a million miles away.

You assume that the "second genocide" would not have happened under a Democratic leadership. Biden and Kamala gave Netanyahu free rein over Palestine. They placed red lines only to appease their base, and simply disregarded these lines when the Isreaeli government trampled over them. They smeared the protestors. They condemned the international courts, and they were cheering the genocidal maniac when he appeared before congress.

So no, I would never vote for this party. You might see DNC as the lesser of two evils. I just see it as plain evil, and I can't in good faith ever vote for them. As I mentioned before, they only used the rights of minorities as smokescreen, to avoid introducing any meaningful changes.

I will be able to tell my grandchildren I voted directly against the horrors they will be* learning about in history class. No need for supporting arguments about how doing otherwise was a more genuine rejection of this fucked up system.

So you did not vote for the government that facilitated the genocide in Gaza, and went above and beyond to protect Netanyahu, and fund his campaign of destruction?

The horrors did not start January 20, 2025.

Haha, we can agree to disagree. At least we seem to be on the same general team 😜

Of course I am happy that they have rights! I am just saying that it should be irrelevant. It shouldn't be the platform that the candidates run on. They should just give LGBTQI+ rights, and run on a more socialist platform that will raise the poor and lower the rich. But of course DNC is run by the establishment, and they have certain agendas, so that would never happen. So what's a point of contention that the two parties can easily have? LGBT rights!

I know my quotes too.

“There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick[sic] into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution.” John Adams

"The two-party system teaches you that there’s a constant battle of good versus evil, when in reality, it’s just a fight for power.” Ross Perot

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” Noam Chomsky

Want me to go on?

My part in getting Trump elected is minuscule to the part the Democratic Party played to get him electable.

Unfortunately.

There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

I was not complicit in getting either of them elected. My hands are clean, and so is my conscience.

You do remember that this attack happened while Kamala was VP.

I would feel sick if the candidate I voted for was cheering Israel for massacring thousands of innocent people. May I remind you that the DNC barred the pro-Gaza crowd? May I remind you that Trump and Biden were competing on who is the closest Israeli ally?

Yep, having Trump as a president sucks, but at least my hands are not filled with blood.