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Could it be said that this is a pattern or that someone who comes to this conclusion is exaggerating?

For example, in many animes the characters are Asian and right-wingers don't seem to mind. Maybe because most of the characters appear to be white, or because many Japanese animes have an actual cast of white characters. They don't seem to mind if in a fictional world all the characters are white or Asian, but on the other hand they would mind if in the fictional world all the characters were black or had dark skin. Is this really a fact or an exaggeration?

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[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Yes, and you'll be "woke" for liking something without a white main character. Part of their playbook. Can't just be happy for someone else making it.

[-] Social_Discussion@lemm.ee 4 points 17 hours ago

All that is, is weird.

[-] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago

It's real. Conservatives are awful people.

[-] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 39 points 1 day ago

"Political Correctness", "Social Justice Warrior", "Woke", "Diversity, Equality, Inclusivity"; the shit-for-brains bigots will always try to make their hatred seem reasonable and just. Don't be fooled!

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

It's because their entire identity is based on culture wars and politics. But those of us who are well adjusted, who gives a shit what color/orientation a protagonist is, as long as the plot has actually substance and the entire purpose of the story isn't virtue signaling.

[-] richieadler@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

In a country so morally corrupt as the US, virtue signaling is necessary, as are instructions in shampoo bottles.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago

And constantly forcing a particular set of values/viewpoints down everyone's throats is exactly how we ended up in the situation we are in now. Promoting equity and inclusion is great and the right direction for society, but forcing people (especially conservatives) to turn on a dime is going to yield resistance, and taking it over the top is how people like Trump get elected. That is the culture war aspect even moderates don't care for, the constant drum banging. If we keep the ante up for slow and consistent change, we'd be much further ahead than via social force. You catch more bees with honey, and it would take generations to effectively breed the excess amount of hate out of American society.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 1 points 16 hours ago

I'm sorry I've been dragging them into the theater and making them play games they don't want to play, it's my fault

[-] prole 11 points 1 day ago
[-] derzeppo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Aggrievement is the central tenet of these people. They imagine it everywhere and never accept reality.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago

It's real, but you don't get to see anything from billions of viewers who don't mind or even enjoy a little variety. Only the five hillbilly snowflakes who feel offended by a skin tone bother to voice their stupid opinion.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

With the low level of detail that's used for most anime faces and the wild (by Japanese standards, anyway) hair colors, it's usually pretty much impossible to tell without context whether a character is meant to be asian or european.

On a more ideological level, Japan was allied with Nazi Germany and committed a lot of atrocities back then, and they always had strong anti-immigration policies and an advantageous position to enforce them (island nation, difficult writing system etc.).

[-] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 3 points 13 hours ago

As an aging anime fan... I tend to agree with Miyazaki's take that anime is made by weird people for weird people.

Sometimes being a bit of an outcast gives you perspective and you take that and make someone great.

Sometimes it turns you into an incel who creates characters that totally aren't pedophile bait, no sir, they're 2000 years old! They just so happen to have the body of an 8 yr old.

The conservative anti-woke scum of the Internet who love anime can't tell the difference between the two. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

[-] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Every time" is certainly an exaggeration. Just off the top of my head in a minute:

  • The Dragon Prince - nobody gave a damn.
  • Star Wars [pick any of several releases] - we've had various people of color, both human and alien, as protagonists. I don't remember much of a fuss over that in particular.
  • Various MCU things - Brave New World just came out, again featuring Mackie as Wilson - taking the place of the stereotypically WASP Steve Rogers, no less.
  • Hazbin Hotel: Vaggie is heavily coded as latina.
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Witch From Mercury - okay, not a non-white lead, but the first Gundam series with a female lead, and a lesbian romance front and center. Once again, no attack.

If I looked around further, I'm sure I could find more. All of these have variously been critiqued for writing, characterization, or pacing, but failed to draw attacks based on the ethnicity (or orientation) of their protagonists.

Is this kind of attack a thing that happens? Absolutely. Is it "every time"? No. I'd suggest it's more often when a series goes out of its way to bludgeon the audience with a message related to it, or tries to sell a newcomer as a superior replacement for a legacy character, that people can get riled up.

[-] yessikg 6 points 21 hours ago

Both Star Wars and the MCU have had examples of what OP describes

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Isn't the dragon Prince's lead a white guy? I'm almost positive. Also a lot of these are probably too obscure to really raise a stir. I'm kind of shocked even brought up dragon Prince much less the Gundam show you mentioned.

Also your ability to wall yourself off from the Star Wars "controversies" is rather impressive.

[-] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

TDP has two main leads, one white and one black.

I'm not walled off from Star Wars' controversies, merely pointing out that "every time" isn't accurate.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

We can quibble about whether or not a second character merits the title lead or not, however it's still inaccurate to use it as an example of a counter to the raised point. The show's main lead was a white male character. That's inarguable.

[-] DemBoSain@midwest.social 13 points 1 day ago

John Boyega won't return to Star Wars because of racist fans.

I think people have complained about casting choices forever. The first female Hamlet must have gotten some negative press as well. I believe the pattern you see is based on two factors:

  1. We all carry a media device with us. We are quick to respond and post stuff publicly and in return we get to read other people's thoughts. What would've taken a couple of weeks to spread to enough people to make a dent in any poll in the age of newspapers can take a day or so now. So the speed has picked up. Also, the stuff our media devices serve us depend to varying extents on the use of algorithms. We know that especially in the realm of social media, user engagement is strongest with stuff that riles us up. So the old algo serves us more of that. Algorithms distort the picture. Things are labeled as viral when they are viewed by thousands of people - on a planet of 7 billion or thereabouts. Storms on the internet tend to be teacup size most of the time. The internet gives us a distorted picture where a small number of people can pretend to be a significant portion of society. And that doesn't mean the Illuminati control this sinisterly; it can just be a few d-heads who think alike that start stirring the teacup. But PR agencies exist to make use of this as well.
  2. Politics and society are not on a linear trajectory to paradise. While overall we're better off as a species than 1,000 years ago, the way stuff moves is often 3 steps forward and 2 steps back. One could say, the US (as one example of many countries today) has just taken two steps back. A political movement that we thought was done for after we have all seen where it can lead is back: right-wing populism. It is a backlash to well intentioned political decisions with regard to equality, the eradication of racism, allowing women autonomy over their own bodies, etc. A lot of people had differing opinions about these things but social norms had confined them to family gatherings and the pub where they could voice them but not much more than that. Now they can voice them online as well and find many other dissenters they wouldn't have found as easily just 30 years ago. And because they feel like a majority (see 1)) or a significant portion at the very least they become more outspoken. Saying the quiet parts out loud. So talking badly about people of another ethnicity, women, etc. is en vogue again. So any opportunity for that is good enough.

So Star Wars is casting a non-binary person to lead a new show? "Fans are outraged!" The new 007 is a black woman? "Fans are up in arms!" These have become predictable reactions that gain traction in for-profit media that also needs us to engage so they can sell ads. So is this a pattern? Yes. Is it new though? I don't think so. It's just accelerated, amplified, fueled by politics, and more often than not a storm in a teacup.

Before I finish this essay, I would like to point out two examples that popped into my head that go against the grain. Scarlet Johansson's casting in Ghost in the Shell caused a stir. And about a decade earlier Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan from Star Trek was also met with criticism.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

No one cares who the lead is in a good show. It's been popular to blame racism/sexism for shitty shows for a while. It's easy to find a couple tweets and turn a handful of assholes into the face of criticism.

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