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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Summary

Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.

Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to "Russian aggression" and prefers calling it the "Ukraine conflict."

This shift follows Trump's peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine's President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a "dictator."

The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.

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[-] SnotFlickerman 288 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.

The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world's economics as well, and that's clearly the long-term goal.

[-] Nay@feddit.nl 72 points 4 months ago

If I recall correctly, it's about destabilizing the Dollar and making their (China and Russia's) financial system become the world standard...

It all comes down to money. It always does.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 264 points 4 months ago

American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.

[-] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 125 points 4 months ago

Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn't deserve your grace and goodwill when it's showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.

Fucking clown.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 76 points 4 months ago

honest to god embargo us. saction us. you will do more to help our people by cutting donald trump at the knees than anything else you could do. we need help making his cult realize what they've done is bad and i think the only way that happens is if food gets expensive

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[-] d00phy@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago

Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.

[-] Xanza@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

I've come to notice that the rest of the world is already beginning to leave us behind. The realization came with the TikTok ban. Soon as I heard that TikTok could be banned, I started looking for alternatives because I was pretty sure it was going to happen. I stumbled upon XHS by accident and about a month before everyone else. I was absolutely fucking blown away by China. It's unlike we've been told in almost all respects...

I really came to realize that other countries are leaving us in their dust and it's only a matter of time before we're not the Apex predator anymore, and frankly I can hardly blame them.

[-] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago

My wife found XHS (aka RedNote) as well. I did not realize the extent of anti-China propaganda that I had inadvertently bought into, and like you, I was absolutely blown away.

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[-] stickly@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Have you uh... actually been to China? Or talked to anyone from China (in real life)? I do both, quite often. Without fail, anyone with the means is actively trying to leave. And not in a "grass is greener" way. Those emigrating to America are fully aware of the political turmoil, they'd just rather be out before it's not physically possible to leave.

It's unlike we've been told in almost all respects...

Based on testimony from a demonstrably censored platform?

I'm not arguing for American superiority or that the vacuum won't be easily filled by other countries. But that change isn't automatically an upgrade.

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[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

It's going to end up that way whether EU does something now or not. He'll just pick up his ball and leave like he's done every time so far.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 142 points 4 months ago

Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse...

[-] towelie@lemm.ee 84 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unfortunately it's likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can't really establish a basis of trust.

[-] Hugin@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago

I'm a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.

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[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

By allowing our politicians a seat at the table you're opening yourself up to more harm.

Isolate us, make the voting public feel the consequences of their actions. Respond to tariffs with tariffs on red states. Sanction administration official of the inevitable human rights abuses that are coming. Call out the lies of our Government openly and with evidence.

This isn't going to change if there are never any consequences for the people who're doing this as well as their supporters. Revoke the visas of our oligarchs, limit their travel, stop doing business with their companies. Create incentives for educated Americans to immigrate to healthier democracies and ban our social media companies before they finish poisoning your country as well.

[-] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago

We don't want educated Americans emmigrating elsewhere. We want you to fix your shit and educated Americans are the only ones that can do that.

If you leave, the idiots are left in charge of some of the spiciest military hardware and without smart people, will probably end up using it.

The voting public seem to be pretty susceptible to whatever spin the Orange House puts on the consequences of their actions.

Do you really believe they'll see through what Trump does and blame themselves before blaming Canada, for example?

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[-] krebssteven@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the 'G6' face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago

Agreed. We earned this. I hope we gain the world's trust again, but it'll most likely never be like it was...

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[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 133 points 4 months ago

This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.

[-] SilentKettle@lemmy.wtf 78 points 4 months ago

It's almost as if he works for Putin

[-] Docus@lemmy.world 66 points 4 months ago

G6 it is then. After NATOTWO is set up

[-] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 33 points 4 months ago
[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 40 points 4 months ago
[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 13 points 4 months ago

2 NATOs 1 Cup

[-] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 11 points 4 months ago
[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago
[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Is that a HIMARS in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago

Maybe since it's mostly just the northeast Atlantic now, it should be NEATO.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Canada and Greenland have most of the north covered even without the US, so the name still works.

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[-] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 58 points 4 months ago
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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he's not self interested. He is clearly under Putin's influence.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 40 points 4 months ago
[-] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 months ago

I love it when you talk dirty

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[-] bruhssa@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago

I'd love to ask all of the MAGA heads to just question themselves this: Why go through all of this just to help Putin. Some fucked up shit must go on that Trump risks all of this just for Putin.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

Same reason the US helps Israel?

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

The US-Israel alliance has been a disgusting and embarrassing debacle

[-] jve@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

Blow it apart. America doesn't belong with its former Allies.

Its clear that America has no interest in being apart of the free world, they checked out.

Now fuck off and go destroy yourselves in a frenzy over transgender bathroom doors and eggs. The rest of us still have lives to live and futures to protect.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?

Just doublechecking my premises, there's this from Investopedia:

The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world's largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis...

Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago
[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.

If China's willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.

[-] absentbird@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago

I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China's goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Let Trump and Putin have a G1.5. Do it. Make him look like a Russian stooge.

[-] MonsterMonster@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

What do you mean "look like"?

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

it increases the number of people that want to blow up america every day. i bet americans abroad will have a hard time getting food in foreign countries where the cook did not spit on it.

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[-] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Hey, guy, do you need a tissue? You have a little cum on your face.

[-] LMurch@thelemmy.club 8 points 4 months ago

THIS! will lower the price of eggs, I'm sure of it. Thank you, your Highness.

/s

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

G7/G6/G8.

Who cares it's a eurocentric club anyway.

G20 is the real global conference.

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

According to Alnur Mussayev, 6th Directorate of the KGB in Moscow, Don was recruited by the KGB in 1987 and given the codename Krasnov.

Drop the USA and change the metting to the G6 + California until Jan 2029.

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