Trump Proposes X.
Media: "Trump can't do X."
Trump [Does it anyway.]
Media: "Judge says Trump can't do X."
Trump: [Does it anyway.]
Media: "Trump uses executive order to do X."
Trump: [Was doing it from the start.]
have the courts actually stopped vice president trump yet?
I'm assuming this will travel to the supreme court
has that stopped him?
Well, it hasn't happened yet.
He's mostly followed rulings so far, so yes
Edit: and to clarify, I mean this in a "fight every fight" kind of way. Don't give in and assume all fights are hopeless. That is exactly what Trump et al want from you. Use every tool to fight back
Just straight up false. Who is upvoting this shit?
I don't know where you've been, but it's entirely the opposite.
Lol, Expect for all the ones that he hasn't.
Are you uninformed? Or intentionally ilinformed?
My point is more so to fight every damn fight
Assuming that it's all worthless is exactly what Trump wants from everyone
For what it's worth, there are threats of contempt of court in some of those deliberate misinterpretations of the court
there are threats of contempt of court in some of those deliberate misinterpretations of the court
Wake me up when trump faces literally any consequences at all.
You can hold mid to lower level officials in contempt without as much pomp and circumstance as holding the president in contempt. They can be held in civil contempt (can include fines, asset seizures, and or jail time) which is not a criminal charge and thus not pardonable
If everyone below Trump gets the brunt, they're going to feel obliged to actually follow the courts rather than what Trump says
… what
Media coverage of any good news is pretty minimal lately, but he has largely (though not entirely with some deleberate misinterpretation of them) been complying with court orders for the moment
Fight every fight with every tool you have
trump has complied with court orders. Really?
Yes, just gets 10x less coverage than all the horrible things
For instance
The Trump administration restores federal webpages after court order
Ok doomer
"That's what the WOKE JUDGES say, but WE ALL KNOW they're not Americans!"
Yes, I threw up in my mouth a little bit having to come up with that. But the fact is that they can just ignore the courts and the Constitution, because who's going to stop them? The Department of Justice?
It's going to have to be you. And me. And our friends, family, neighbors. We're on the fourth box, and making use of it will entail conflicts far worse than this country has previously experienced.
Edit: By downvoting me you are advocating for violence.
I think it's too soon to say we're on the fourth box already. Let's wait until SCOTUS and the impeachment in Congress fail.
i don't advocate for violence but we should surely do more than wait for the coming failure
The SCOTUS that ruled that this sitting president cannot be criminally charged for anything he does while in office, as long as it's an "official act"? This president who recently echoed Napoleon and Nixon with "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law"? Who sits in the White House that repeated his "LONG LIVE THE KING" statement with a picture of him as a king?
Or did I miss a /s on your comment?
You're literally advocating for a civil war, and used the "four boxes" analogy. We haven't finished with the first three boxes yet.
You could have saved a lot of typing by just saying "Nuh uh."
You have to stop waiting, waiting is how you ended up like that.
You first, friend. Lock and load, am I right?
Or... we could actually exhaust legal avenues before we start shooting.
For the record, I wasn't advocating a civil war. I was predicting one.
Give me a reason to think this will end any other way.
I imagine going to a foreign country and attempting to start some kind of insurrection would probably cause more problems than it would solve tbh. I'm just concerned that legal action won't be fast or effective enough to stop things getting much worse. Though blowing things up (literally and otherwise) will probably just speed everything up, good and bad.
It's difficult to let the judicial system move through its processes so slowly, but I agree with this comment. If the people decide to invalidate the courts by taking matters into their own hands, then they are no better than those who seek to defy the courts. If you believe in democracy then you must also have some faith in the courts, no? That's not to say the courts won't fail, but circumventing them prematurely would be, as I see it, a definitive loss for the people.
It’s difficult to let the judicial system move through its processes so slowly
4+ years of waiting for Garland to do fucking something, and you suggest we wait longer?! So, the time for action is right after the noose is around or necks..?
Have you ehm, seen what the courts have done lately?
Rule of law in the USA is over
OK, here we go, round one @ the Supreme Court re: rule by edict.
This is the real canary to see if we still have a country
facts.
sadly though, even if they stop one thing, they will not stop em all. he's setting a precedent every future ~~President~~ king of America will use to further the agenda of the ruling class (unless an FDR figure emerges to redirect that power at wealth redistribution).
the president may in fact now be a king and both parties (one party really - the ultra rich) has either actively enabled or done almost nothing to dismantle executive authority since at least Reagan.
the monarchists won control of the country, backed by corporatist billionaires. time will tell if it's reversible or even salvageable. might be wise to begin building the figurative life rafts.
Yeah, but this one is an intentional huge over-reach. So when other, less outright violations of the Constition come up, they'll seem like no big deal by comparison.
Here before 6-3 to get fucked
So new law....the president can fire the appeals court! Sounds great!
Appeals court: oh he's right, let's all quit before he fires us. Makes total sense.
We need all the push back we can get. He's doing wildly illegal stuff and trying to get away with it. The courts still have some influence to keep people from carrying out the orders, but this really is a stress test of the separation of powers.
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