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According to the Telegraph, a leaked confidential Trump peace plan delivered to President Zelenskyy has caused panic in Kyiv.

The proposal would grant the U.S. half of revenues from Ukraine’s resource extraction and licensing, effectively amounting to economic colonization.

The Telegraph noted, "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924."

Simultaneously, the plan would absolve Russia for its invasion that has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 51 points 3 days ago

Have we forgotten that Trump has no power in Ukraine. All this means is that Europe has to provide a bit more funding.

Honestly, not even that much.

Keep fighting Russia without the US. Tell Trump to pound sand.

[-] notastatist@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago

Oh man. He doesent care if he has power in a country or not, he just tried to free the Tate bros in Romania.

He just feels like the king of the world. We should not validate this feeling...

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Ukraine is already struggling immensely with the US support. Imagine what will happen without US support.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

The biggest problem is likely to be Trump ditching the sanctions on Russia. Or even becoming a customer of Russian energy.

[-] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Ditching the sanctions is likely considering they harmed the hegemony of the USD.

[-] Resand@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Or US supporting Russia.

If Ukraine says no, Trump's going to double down on the "it's Ukraine fault" narrative and start supporting Russia to promote "peace"

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

If this will happen expect Americans to die in terrorist attacks.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

You see, this is how Palestinian, resistance groups, and all colonized countries feel when Europe and North America made sure to suck the living resources out of them, making them cheap labour if they decide to escape their land.

In this case, Trump is treating Ukraine the same way they treat south america and other small nations.

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 116 points 4 days ago

Pretty sure this is just part of the "give them a terrible deal they wouldn't agree to" strat that means Trump can say "we gave them a very good deal and they refused, Russia can do what they want".

It's all bullshit and always has been.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I can already see this being parroted back to me by my relatives who watch Hungarian TV stations

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 80 points 4 days ago

So basically 1939 again, with Ukraine playing Poland, and you all know who the US are playing.

[-] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 days ago

Playing the role of Nazi America.

[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

It would be a grand historical irony if the country that ultimately ensures Ukraine's freedom from Russia ends up being Germany.

"We are here to liberate you from the Russians....and this time, we really mean it!"

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[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago

So many assasinations in world history, they really arent that rare of a thing.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 132 points 4 days ago

Putin’s puppet doing his job well. The Orange Turd delivers garbage as usual.

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[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago

It doesn't matter if the USA promises liberation from Russia, protection for eternity and the cure for cancer... the word of the USA means less than nothing now...

Ukraine has the same chance of benefiting if they just help that poor Nigerian Prince and use the resulting reward to buy weapons

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[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 72 points 4 days ago

Unbelievable. Every day, I'm amazed that a man I don't even freaking know can piss me off this much on pretty much a daily basis. The man just literally has no shame, none, zero.

[-] prole 25 points 4 days ago

I honestly despise the fact that this man (as well as Musk) has made me into a bitter person who hates. I don't want to hate anyone. I can feel it destroying my soul (or whatever you want to fucking call it).

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[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 126 points 4 days ago

Motherfucker looks like he’s inflated to Baron Harkonnen size

[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Credit to Putin, it's a good play. The only counter is for Europe to unite against both Russia and the current US government.

Theoretically possible, but unlikely unless the non-EU states also fall in line early.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 26 points 3 days ago

What we have to realize is that, if this were WWII, the one playing Germany is now the US.

The lesson from WWII was that you do not appease the aggressor. Europe has to oppose the US. It does not matter how difficult that seems. They have to.

If not, Trump is not stopping at Ukraine. He will make demands of all of Europe while tariffing and cutting his own European defence spending the entire time.

The time to stand-up to Trump is now.

Back Ukraine. Stand up to the US. Russia is contained as long as we find Ukraine. The USA is not.

[-] Muffi@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago

Imagine telling Americans during the second red scare, about the political climate of today. History is weird.

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[-] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Who had Trump and Putie collude to Own Ukraine on their Fascist Dictator Bingo cards?

[-] treesapx@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

That's the free space

[-] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 90 points 4 days ago

Well... If I was China, I'd see this as a motivation to invade Taiwan.

If the invasion works, it works.

If it doesn't, simply wait for a US president that isn't able to plan 3 days ahead.

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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 58 points 4 days ago

The Ukrainians started fighting before any guarantees and support started coming in from the west. They are fighting for their own self determination. Trump thinking he can just impose this is just not understanding that the Ukrainians can simply say no. And when they do, his all powerful persona will be exposed even more for the scam that it is.

Russian battleship and American president: fuck off!

[-] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

What I am most curious about is how long ago Trump and Putin first had a discussion about this arrangement, and what the quid pro quo details are. Because of course there is one.

[-] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 58 points 4 days ago

Nothing Trump has ever said has been "confidential" 😂

He could make a tweet saying he's going to destroy the continent with a deathray tomorrow, and MAGA fascists would make a tiktok dance to celebrate it. There's no Watergate this time around, only Leopard's All-you-can-eat face buffet™

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

Trump is not a public servant, he is a crooked business man. He doesn't think about making life on earth better, he thinks about ripping people off as much as he can get away with.

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[-] mn42@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 4 days ago

So a mafia protection racket?

[-] imonk@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago

Except for protection.

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago

Now the EU should leak a report that says without USA's guaranteed peace and NATO breaking up, chances for Russia to attack the EU are pretty much 100%, so better to tariff the USA to astronomical levels, use that money to fund the EU military and attack now before Russia has a chance to rebuild.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The Telegraph noted, “Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924.”

This is an extraordinarily bad move.

I'm glad to see steps taken toward the war ending, but this is the sort of Big Mac diplomacy that's just patently moronic. Trump seems to think he can just order up what he wants and it's going to magically happen without any negative consequences.

Even if you're a world superpower, there's only so much you can demand of another country. The Iraq embargo, for instance, gave rise to Al Qaeda and the eventual destruction of the World Trade Towers. (And that was the SECOND attempt, after a group of terrorists tried to bomb them previously in the 90's.)

[-] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

I'm quite certain that this deal is intended to be unpalatable to Ukraine - it was cooked up by Trump and Putin after all.

Either way they win:

Ukraine takes the deal: they win; Ukraine says the deal is ridiculous and walks away: then Russia & Trump brand them as unrealistic agitants and delay for more favourable terms and extend the war.

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[-] xektop@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago

How is Israel paying back? Or those are donations? 🤔

[-] StormMission907@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

Trump signs deals and then just ignores them when he sees fit. He lies about everything. Look at what he is trying to do to Canada who he has a free trade deal with that he signed and said was the best deal ever. Guy is a liar.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 days ago

Could they agree to it then mine nothing until Trump leaves and renegotiate as a NATO member

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

Do you think Trump would be above bombing them himself for "breaking the deal"?

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 27 points 4 days ago

The telegraph is a right-wing outfit and should be viewed through the lens of that bias. This article repeats their undermining of Ukraine.

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