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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

For real though, she was an absolutely horrible psychotherapist in pretty much every way. The writers really should have consulted actual social workers.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Troi: see's visibly angry person/alien
Troi: "I sense anger is this person"

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Rewatching TNG as an adult, Troi’s empathic skills are actually useful. We, the viewer, may already be aware, but she clues Picard and the rest of the crew in on things they need to know at that moment.

As for her abilities as a therapist, I think Starfleet failed to train her for “frontier/first contact” situations properly. On most any other ship in the fleet, she would be fine. On the Enterprise she had to wing her way through events and problems that have never been experienced before by any member of Starfleet.

And for the record, she did help Barclay get better at interacting with other people. I appreciate that we get to see more of them in Voyager.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

She helped get Barclay better because the writers decided she did, not through any therapeutic techniques that would have actually worked.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, because she was written by science fiction writers. The enterprise saved the day because the writers decided it did.

Things got more realistic during their scenes in Voyager, thankfully.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Right, but what I am saying is they could have easily just talked to some actual social workers to find out what would have actually worked with someone like Barclay instead of just deciding it. It's kind of a shitty way to treat mental illness as a subject.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Just like they could have easily talked to a real fucking Native American.

But I don’t think this one was an unforced error. That was all most well-intended Americans (yeah, I really do have to qualify it that way) knew at the time. It was progressive then, but insulting today.

Otherwise, you can chalk it up as yet another Berman Conflict™.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

In that case, they were fooled by a con man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater

So I don't think that's applicable here. They thought they had consulted someone properly in that case but they were wrong through no fault of their own. With Troi, all they had to do is find one of the millions of social workers in the U.S. or just the thousands in Los Angeles and talked to them.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I tease in this meme, but yes, I agree with you.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I know. That’s why I love this community. We argue over meaningless lore details while upvoting each other.

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Troi: I sense great deception with this man.

Picard: He's a goddamn Ferengi!

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Betazoids can't read Ferengi minds/feelings. Sorry, had to get it out of my system. Your point still stands for her stating the obvious.

[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

As long as she memorizes the Rules of Acquisition, she COULD read their minds

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 18 points 1 month ago

Guinan ends up acting like a better counselor on the show. They should have made Troi a diplomat.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Plus Guinan served booze, the best therapy

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