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If Trump does what he's promising, North America will change today | CBC (www.cbc.ca)
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The former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page projects a contraction in the neighbourhood of the 2009 recession, somewhere between a 2 to 2.5 per cent drop in GDP, along with a ballooning national deficit and debt.

But there's an even bigger story being re-written. It involves Canada's place in the world after 90 years of increased tethering to the U.S. If Trump plows forward he'd be interrupting far more than a few decades of Canada-U.S. free trade; he'd be ending an era that stretches back even longer.

Canada and the United States have steadily built closer economic ties with each other since 1935, as they clawed out of an interminable depression.

These two leaders, Prime Minister Mackenzie King, left, and President Franklin D. Roosevelt, spent a year negotiating the removal of tariffs on hundreds of products during the Great Depression. It set the pattern for generations of trade opening. (National Archives of Canada)

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 months ago

Trump’s unfounded/false declaration of a national emergency, along with justifying tariffs based on small deficit and opportunity to extort sovereignty, and refusing to negotiate, or accept the substantial Canadian appeasement policies, and photo ops, of the last week, makes these tariffs an act of war.

Demand your politicians act accordingly.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 months ago

Our politicians are already planning to act accordingly with retaliatory measures. What would you prefer they do instead?

[-] beliquititious 8 points 2 months ago

I dunno, y'all burned down the white house once, so maybe start there?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

As much as I would like to take credit as a Canadian, that was the British.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

"we will be allied again" - Ford.

There needs to be movements to decouple from US empire, instead of promising loyalty forever, no matter what. US needs to be made to beg for forgiveness. ALL international partners that can aid and diversify Canada trade needs to be brought onboard. Big 3 automakers need to pledge loyalty to Canada, and if they don't, our extreme subsidy level for them needs to be transferred to ones who will commit to Canadian market.

I don't know how Canada-Mexico trade will work. But foreign assistance to get ships to transfer goods may be needed. Demonizing Russia needs to end. Can get them to refine our oil into gasoline if we need, enrich our uranium either for export tariff to US, or realizing we need enriched uranium for defense.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 months ago

Demonizing Russia needs to end.

Not until they get their military the hell out of Ukraine and start acting like reasonable members of international society.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ukraine is a US puppet leading the demonization/threats/instigation of war on Russia. Our political/media loyalty to US is only reason for believing disinformation to the contrary. Our sycophancy to US policy on China is self-destructive. Sanctions on North Korea is blind subservience to US. Have to stop pretending democracy is working in US and Canada as a US colony.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 20 points 2 months ago

#TankieThings

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago

We can stop sucking the US's dick without replacing it with Russia's, China's, or... North fucking Korea's?

Seriously, making hating the US your whole personality doesn't make the fake communists a) worthwhile or b) communists.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Declaration of war on Canada, means having to make new friends. Ukraine is unlikely to be in a position to provide friendly assistance to Canada, and so not the best friend to have.

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

I'd rather die with my morals intact than survive by using others as stepping stones.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Right. We should avoid using Ukraine as a stepping stone to diminish Russia, with zero to gain, in addition to exposing demonic evil of our society.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Demonizing Russia needs to end.

That's really up to Russia, isn't it

[-] Someone@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

This guy can slip pro Russian propaganda into a comment on literally any topic. I've had him tagged for months, often the highest level comment will seem pretty normal and then the deeper you get through the comments the more it just becomes "Russia good".

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Demonizing Russia needs to end.

That's really up to Russia, isn't it

Yeah, they're literally just acting like demons. There's no "izing", they're just being demons, and people are calling it as they see it.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Some people just don't realize that the USA being bad doesn't make other countries good.

[-] _____@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

Very hard for me to not hate all Americans today.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

Not all, just the majority 😕

[-] Naia 17 points 2 months ago

I hate a lot of people for different reasons.

I hate the people who voted for him, but they are not the majority.

I hate the people who stayed home. I get it. Harris had issues. But so many were saying they didn't want it vote for her because of Gaza. Now, Gaza will get glassed while we have so many more problems at home.

Personally, I don't care if it seems selfish, I do not have the capacity to care about Gaza anymore. The only chance we had was convincing Harris. Now I'm too worried about what will happen to me and my friends as queer people.

And that's before we get to the general economic issues. Shit is about to get really desperate for everyone.

So many of us tried to get those people to see. I'm positive much of the Gaza stance was being pushed by the right to split the left. We'll it worked. They fell for it. Now we have even more issues.

I can not say this with any more virtiol: fuck anyone who didn't vote for Harris, regardless of the reason, but especially if it was an active decision because of Gaza. You both actively made things worse for Gaza and doomed us all.

You wanted shortsighted smug feel goods about taking a moral high ground. In doing so, you paved the way for fascism and laid down the fucking red carpet.

[-] Star 1 points 2 months ago

The voter suppression sure didn't help. Millions of key votes blatantly ignored because of the race of the voter. Only one to report on it is the Guardian.

[-] ricketyrackets@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

A lot of Americans, just like Canadians are docile non confrontational people, myself included. Peace is always better than war.

That being said, this gives a country like Canada and Mexico the opportunity to fight for us for once and not let the U.S. steamroll us into submission.

This also allows for the EU whom the Trump administration is also going after with threats of Tariffs the opportunity to prepare for a trade war that benefits them.

However, I personally don’t think Trump has the cognitive capacity to get this or come up with these ideas on his own. He’s far too stupid at this point. These threats are being presented to him from other people in my opinion.

[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago

We need to join the EU

[-] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why? Even to his strongest supporter this must seem... unnecessary? Canada's America's hat. We're wearing it straight. Why fuck with the hat?

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