Greater of two evils turns out to be greater than imagined. Protest votes in shambles, denying that this was entirely foreseeable.
Notice how the "protest votes" have completely vanished? 🤔
Public outcry over the Palestinian Genocide has never been louder and it will keep getting louder.
Public outcry ≠ protest voters.
ok, so what exactly would this category of people you define as having voted and done literally nothing nothing else be doing to not disappear right now?
It seems to me, by definition of how you have delineated the category of people you want to criticize you should expect not to "see" them until the next time they vote...
At least a few of them have been pretty outspoken here on Lemmy even after the election. Not so now though.
I don't understand how this distinction works though, I voted for Harris so I don't fit into either category but wouldn't you just remove people from the "protest vote gone quiet" if you saw them not being quiet about it?
Like those just become "protestors" right?
No, there are still some of them around still doing the "both parties are the same" schtick, claiming Harris would have done this too.
Good
Because the accounts who’se goal was to influence the election have done their job, they are taking a break.
There's no genocide if you're not around to fight for your land, I guess. No wars under trump - yeah, because he forces you to bend over and take it up the ass.
Resettling Palestinians elsewhere seems like a straightforward solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Honestly baffling no one else thought of this given how many decades this thing has been happening.
-A very stable genius, apparently
What could possibly go wrong with the forced insertion of a group of people into a concentrated geographic region?
Just stick them in Kurdistan. Land without a people for a people without a land ... I think I've seen this one before ...
Jordan is already majority Palestinian. It even used to be part of the British Mandate for Palestine. Culture and language in Jordan are very close to Palestine in general.
Ignoring the genocidal premise of forcibly moving Palestinians off their land after Israel just razed their houses, Jordan is a tiny country of 10million people who have their own cultural identity beyond being Arab or close to Palestine.
They are already home to 3 million refugees, most of whom are Palestinian, and 1 million are Iraqis. To ask them to take on anyone else is beyond a joke. Especially when Israel and the US have spent decades finding new ways to destabilise its neighbours and make them flee into its borders. Jordan is also not a rich country. Wealthier countries need to step up, and that should include the US given its culpability in this genocide. But the US has just elected a man-baby who will bemoan its international responsibilities for the next 4 years so there's no chance of that happening.
I understand where you coming from but that view seems half informed. The whole cultural identity argument was also pushed by Arafat as a way to force Palestinians to stay in Gaza instead of assimilating into Israeli society or leaving to Egypt, Syria, or Jordan
Oh ok never mind then, genocide back on (and yes, this is still genocide).
And who gets Gaza, Don?
I’m having trouble thinking, need some stable ~~genius~~ conqueror genocide energy.
New Gaz-a-Lago golf course speedrun.
Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s former White House adviser and his son-in-law, praised the “very valuable” potential of Gaza’s “waterfront property,” suggesting that Israel should remove civilians while it “cleans up” the area.
Further in the article he says this:
Additionally, Kushner suggested that he “would just bulldoze something in the Negev, I would try to move people in there,” adding: “I know that won’t be the popular thing to do, but I think that’s a better option to do, so you can go in and finish the job.”
“I think Israel’s gone way more out of their way than a lot of other countries would, to try to protect civilians from casualties,” Kushner added.
Fucking ghoul.
And who gets Gaza, Don?
Jared.
Not giving civilians the chance to flee the warzone during a war is unique to this war. In any other war, civilians would have fled the country until the war is over.
Those who could afford to pay the necessary bribes to Egypt left. Most were forced to stay.
So Biden was the bad person who allowed Netanyahu to kill all those people? No. Trump will allow Israel to completely take over all Palestinian areas and either kill them all off or forcefully remove them. Netty's plan was always to take that land back for Israel.
I don't think you realize that pointing out Trump will be worse for Palestinians (which is tragic and true) doesn't absolve Biden for failing reprehensibly to use his power in the US-Israel relationship to stem the mass killing and genocide of Palestinians.
It doesn't have to. Biden and Harris being significantly less bad is enough to make them a better choice
Trolley problem etc
So the great plan that the republicans and sit outs voted/ did not vote for as an alternative to Harris was to remove everyone from their country and force everyone else to take them as refugees? Like forced evacuation? Leave or die? Ukraine should be pretty scared right about now.
Putting the Palestinians from Gaza in other Arab countries and giving their remaining land to Israel sounds like a recipe for destruction of their national identity.
Forcible resettlements are not listed in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II, but in my opinion the essential effect would be achieved none the less.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
- Killing members of the group;
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Jordan already has a majority Palestinian population. I don’t think intent to destroy fits, so it’s not genocide.
Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing can be crimes against humanity though.
Giving Gazans the option to relocate to Jordan voluntarily is not a crime.
I didn't want to touch on the intent question, because to some degree it's not knowable from the outside and to some degree there is a multitude of intents out there. And since the resettlement already doesn't fit the "method" criteria I thought I didn't have to.
For what it's worth I think Trump is more likely just trying to quiet the situation in a heavy handed way, for a political win, and to satisfy Israeli interests and maybe also to satisfy some interest groups local to him. I don't think he has a reason to want to destroy Palestine as a nation or identity. On the other hand he also wouldn't give much of a shit about their interests. And of course he spouts this stuff quickly, without careful analysis beforehand, as always.
In contrast I think some of the Israeli parties, the extreme settler ones, probably would like the Palestinian Identity gone, so they can "finally" claim all the land they want to call Israel.
As for Netanyahu, I don't know. Sometimes I felt like what he wanted most was a continued frozen conflict because it stabilizes him in domestic politics. But when the conflict heated up he changed to strongman tactics. What's next I don't understand well. Does he want to re-freeze, or find some sort of lasting resolution...
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