For those saying it wasn't real since he went off to the side instead of straight out.
He did it to the side because old out of shape people have trouble lifting their hands above their head so he needed to tilt his body to get the proper angle.
"Built like an autopsy" still rings in my head every time I see Elon anywhere. "Apartheid Clyde" is a close second.
This is what irrationally annoys me. I could take a Nazi seriously (but still hate them, obviously) that does the salute "properly", but his face, the exaggerated chest clutch, the way he tilts his body... The militaristic firmness of the salute is part of the presentation as strong, but his imitation of it is so pathetic and weak that the only thing he has in common with the guy he's trying to copy is the massively overinflated ego.
I hate what he stands for, but I also hate that I can't take him as seriously as I probably should.
Musk or Hitler?
Probably both, but I meant Musk.
Someone should make a collection of all of these.
I hate that we even need to think about if it was straight out or from the side. Like, don't fucking do the arm out at an angle thing at all. Anything that's ambiguous should be dropped from common practice.
There’s no debate since the first second. Why are we still talking about it?
There's no debate but we do need to be loud about what happened because mask-off Nazi shit cannot be ignored. Especially not when the entire media ecosystem has decided to preemptively lie down and let this go down as an 'awkward gesture'
oh there is debate. some fanboys are still in the denial phase. if they can convince themselves it's not what it is, they don't have to re-evaluate their life choices.
this whole thing reminds me of former fans speaking up in Marilyn Manson: Unmasked . he was their idol and was able to appear extremely reasonable. they thought that's the real him and everything else is just show. they looked up to him, but then it turns out he's not just a harmless jokingly bizarre attention whore, but actually dangerous and the reasonable appearance is just one of his masks. it took some of them years to understand what actually happened.
There’s no debate since the first second.
ADL frame it as an overly enthusiastic wave or something. Lots and lots of people frame it as wrong angle.
The ADL is literally a propaganda mouthpiece for Israeli interests in the United States.
Maybe we should ask some American rabbis, since they typically are true to themselves.
Seriously. The big news for the first two days was the stupid salute, meanwhile trump signed 100+ executive orders and news was slow on the uptake.
That's why he did it.
Misdirection.
Dead cat in action
Because people are still defending it.
It's important to understand that for most of them? They're lying. They know. They don't believe in truth, they believe in fascism.
Some people think Musk has denied it being a Nazi salute.
I mean, Musk could have ended this whole thing by twitting: "My apologies to anyone who thought it was a Nazi salute. It wasn't intended to be, I'm not a Nazi and I absolutely condemn the far right."
But he hasn't.
Right. Instead he tweeted some bad Nazi puns.
The best and only response to disingenuous assholes pretending it was just fine:
"Ok then. YOU do the gesture. Go ahead."
In a statement to The Inquirer, Smith said the video has been “greatly mischaracterized.” On Facebook, she said she made the post “to stir the pot. Because I can.”
I’m probably one of the few people here who isn’t emotionally invested in this. I don’t hate Musk, though I don’t particularly like him either. I’ve often defended him against false accusations (like the Starlink incident), but in this case, there’s nothing to defend. I’d give it about a 5% chance that he genuinely didn’t intend it as a Nazi salute. After all, I’m not a mind reader - I can’t possibly know what he was thinking and unlike the haters, I don’t pretend to know either. I have no dog in this fight.
This "my heart goes out to you" salute isn’t a thing. It’s not something Musk has done before, nor is it a trend among anyone else. All the excuses about how he supposedly meant something else come across exactly as they sound: excuses. I’ve also seen picture montages circulating on social media showing Democratic leaders appearing to make the same gesture, but when you look at the full context, it’s clear these were just unfortunately timed photos. In Musk’s case, it looks like a Nazi salute even in full context.
Now, one reason I give this a slim 5% chance of not being intentional is simply that doing something like this while the entire world is watching is so spectacularly stupid that it’s hard to imagine even Musk not realizing this. He may be edgy and definitely on the spectrum, but that’s not an excuse here. Even a 5-year-old would know better.
Maybe you misunderstand. Most of us don't care about Musk one way or the other. We care about problems he creates. In other words, you're as emotionally invested as most people. Sorry?
Second, if he made a mistake, he would apologize and clearly state that he opposes Nazis and is not one. Did he do that clearly and simply? That is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I agree with your 5% as a nice handwavy number, whatever it means, but if we consider the bad follow-up, it drops to almost zero.
Most of us don’t care about Musk one way or the other. We care about problems he creates. In other words, you’re as emotionally invested as most people. Sorry?
In that case the discussion about this would be dispassionate analysis of what's happening and what to do about it.
Fuck this sub-human scumbag.
Fuck him. I hope he gets Luigi’d.
These are not dispassionate takes. These people are visibly angry. Do you detect this tone in my post? No you don't because my analysis is not based on emotions.
Yes, I detect anger in your post. Tons of it.
It's quite peculiar. You believe that your analysis is good because you didn't express emotion on the subject. But emotional people often are good at analyzing things too, especially if it's a topic that they really care about, that they thought about a lot.
More importantly, what we're talking about are Nazis around the world who want to get more power so that they can kill people they hate. It's the kind of thing that a decent human being would find displeasing, to say the least. This is one of those classic situations where the view from nowhere is untenable.
Not sure if it's just me but all the posts from lemmy world aren't loading this picture of what I assume is of Musk doing the Nazi salute.
IMO anything even close to it is a no-go. If you're thinking up a new hand sign, pick something that has no ambiguity with a Nazi salute please.
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