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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net to c/games@lemmy.world

In the graveyard of live service games Concord may just be the biggest headstone, and that seems to have focused some minds over at PlayStation. Previously the noises coming from Sony were all about the importance of live service games to its future strategy, and it had announced plans to launch more than 10 live service games by the 2025 fiscal year, which ends on March 31, 2026.

Now? Not so much. A new Bloomberg report reveals that "following a recent review" PlayStation has canceled two unannounced live service games in development at subsidiaries Bend Studio and Bluepoint Games. Bend is best-known for Days Gone and, back in the day, Syphon Filter, while Bluepoint mainly handles high-profile remakes like Demon's Souls.

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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 175 points 3 months ago

While playing the single player masterpiece which was God of War, I absolutely thought: "The only way to make this game better is if I had the luxury of buying a battle pass to grind for seasonal cosmetics along with a dozen other people." 🤤🤤🤤🤑

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 67 points 3 months ago

Lmao. GoW live service? Fucking hell it's video games by committee.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

This was inevitable as soon as games started getting the budgets of blockbuster movies. No one wants to invest that much money into a project without getting some oversight and control in return.

Of course, very, very few people who have access to that kind of cash have any design sense whatsoever, and even fewer understand the creative process, or what makes games "good"... so they ask for shit that they think will be "safe" money-makers, and we get what we get: endless, samey, soulless shlock.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

A God of War live service game? Who the fuck signed off on that? I'm glad the article was able to zero in on the blistering stupidity of such a thing.

[-] VerilyFemme 29 points 3 months ago

Yeah, cancelling this seems like a good call.

[-] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

So the fuckers can learn!

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

The more canceled live service games the better.

Make a real game or don't bother.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 3 months ago

god of war live service? wtf???

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

cancelled God of War sequel

"That's bad!"

Live service

"That's good!"

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 3 months ago

Stupid question, but was is a live service game?

[-] groet@infosec.pub 10 points 3 months ago

Its the definition of "you dont own the game". You pay to get access to the service of playing the game and it wants to keep you playing as long as possible so you spend more money on micro transactions. They are constantly updated, usually as some form of "season", have daily login streak bonuses, etc. And after 2 years the game shuts down and you have nothing and can't play anything you paid for anymore.

Every live service game that fails or gets cancled is a good thing.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

online multiplayer bullshit with monthly fees.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Monthly fees optional. These days I'd assume the battle pass model is more common.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 3 months ago

Like a subscription base game? World of Warcraft and other alike?

[-] icecreamtaco@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

no it's like fortnite or cod. They're usually quickplay multiplayer games with a low cost to entry, infinite grinding potential, and microtransaction hell

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, theoretically the exact model for monetization isn't as important, but many publishers are hoping to get players to pay subscriptions indefinitely.

[-] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

Basically a game that is continuously updated with new content. Lots of different models of it from MMOs to Fortnite to Diablo IV. Many of them are free to play with lots of microtransactions. They usually feature things like seasons and battle passes and loot boxes. They're almost always heavily monetized. The competition in the "genre" is incredibly fierce since most people probably only play a handful of them and friend groups usually all want to be on the same game. It's very hard to break into. Sony announced that they were making a big investment into the area a few years ago and news has been trickling out since that most of them have been canceled.

[-] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

The worst thing about a live service game to me is that they only work when you can connect to the official servers. Many live service games have shut down and there is no offline mode to continue playing. Sometimes you still pay full price for these games. Sometimes games like The Crew, shut down after you spent money to play it and then The Crew 2 comes out so you pay full price for essentially the same game and the first one doesn't work anymore.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I don't even know what a God of War live service game would be like but I can't imagine it would be good.

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[-] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

All I read here is that there are still 8 too many live service games in development. Are execs addicted to gambling or what? Because that’s exactly what live service game development is. Also I would like to know what kind of research they are doing that indicates that more live service games is what the market wants, when people who play them rarely ever switch once they find the one they like and at this point there are entirely too many of them.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Live service games that become successful can make billions of dollars, so everyone is trying to be the next big one. Having a ton of concurrent live service projects is the "throw shit at a wall and see what sticks" strategy. They expect most to fail but hope that the 1 that succeeds makes up for it and then some.

[-] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

Hence why I called it gambling.

[-] Shape4985@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

Thank fuck now more effort can be put elsewhere instead of live service slop.

[-] vaguerant@fedia.io 9 points 3 months ago

Bend is best-known for Days Gone and, back in the day, Syphon Filter

Are we just gonna pretend Bubsy 3D never existed?

[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Damn. Bubsy 3D to Days Gone. What a redemption arc lol

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

I can't imagine how it sucks to being these devs. They obviuosly earned more and lived better than me, but I'd have a hard time parting with some project even if they are all mismanaged unborn messes.

[-] Krudler@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

I was a professional developer in a wide range of gaming areas for about 20 years... Looking back, I can honestly say that 95% of the work I did ended up as a vapor... The 5% that made it to market were so fleeting...

I derived my satisfaction not from completing projects, but solving the underlying problems. That kept me very engaged.

But yeah, not everybody sees things this way.

[-] djsoren19 7 points 3 months ago

Good! Wonder what trend the brain-dead CEOs are going to chase after now. Cozy games?

[-] icecreamtaco@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Since games take 5+ years to make now we're probably in for a wave of metaverse products.

[-] djsoren19 2 points 3 months ago

Ooh, this seems like an excellent guess.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Just ask "what is making money" to get the answer. It's still live service and gacha shit, but I'm sure they'll try to add machine learning to it somehow cause you gotta have that

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 4 points 3 months ago

I think they're going to jump ship for straight up gambling apps. That seems like the growth area now.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

They'll ask the AI what to make then ask the AI to code it and use AI art.

[-] eronth@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago
[-] SoupBrick@yiffit.net 5 points 3 months ago

Especially if Silksong comes out this year. I could see a board memeber pointing at it saying, "IF THAT FLAT GAME CAN MAKE A MORBILLION DOLLARS, WE CAN MAKE ONE SO FAST AND GET SO MUCH MONEY!"

[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago

Why did they make an expensive game like Concord which nobody wanted? Don't they have market analysts or something like that? Everyone was able to tell them beforehand that it will flop.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

They probably started it at a time when analysis suggested it was what people wanted more of, and then during the probably what; 4 or 5 years it took to develop, interest waned?

I don’t think it was weird that they started on this; it was pretty weird that they didn’t pivot or cancel earlier.

[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago

Afaik they started development when overwatch was already successful. By the time development finished the hype was over and players had moved to other genres, and had very little interest in an overwatch clone.

[-] vladmech@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Until Marvel Rivals showed it could still be done but you needed a very specific game for it.

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[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

Oh well thank god then

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

GoW as a live game isn't the most out there thing. Tens of people liked the multiplayer mode in Ascension (?) and the reception to the roguelite mode was generally very favorable. And the core game already had gear based progression that could map to something like what Ghost of Tsushima has (that has hundreds of people who like it...).

But having frigging Bluepoint spend cycles on this? I am sure that the studio asked for something more than just remakes but... what?


I don't think it at all matches "Never ask me about my past" Dad Kratos and nobody likes Atreus enough, but one could easily imagine an "open world" live service game where new gods and factions are added every few months and you do quests for or against them.

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