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combating the assumptions rule 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩 (i.imgur.com)

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more adventures on rednote mostly because it’s entertaining how mad people get when i talk about it :3 /halfjoke

this was posted 12/31 btw so i don’t think “the mods haven’t gotten to it yet” is a real thing

#le is common in parallel to the anglosphere’s #wlw which i think is adorable

my number one qualm with little red book so far is there is no native translation like tiktok has. lots of google translate is necessary to get the social media to social :P

necessary disclaimer: fuck the CCP and all the real violence and repression they do. just want to give credit given where due, and so far here im just seeing a lot of assumptions with no evidence? so im gonna post what my experience is :) i welcome all to do the same

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 115 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The level of shortsightedness in people is astounding to me again and again. History really seems to always repeat. When will people ever learn that there is no company in the world that is their friend.

"Oh, but it looks fine and i havent had any issue" says the little user that is currently feeding the networking effect of the next platform, that will inevitably fail in exactly the same way as every other for profit social media.

"Oh, but everyone is here and i dont wanna switch again" says the little user that now has the choice between losing all their feeds and follows or staying on a platform slowly being squeezed for money or political incentives.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When will people ever learn that there is no company in the world that is their friend.

In my experience people doing this transition are hyper aware and open about not trusting any company, TikTok, RedNote, or otherwise. So I think you are hitting the nail on the head, but coming at the thing from a different angle.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The issue is that lots of people joining, self aware or not, validates the platform in normie users eyes. I know this cant be solved on an individualist level, because humans are tribal creatures, but its still tough to watch every time it happens.

I frequently see post aroilund here asking "Is service X or website Y trustworthy?" and my thought is always "No, ofcourse not." Anything thats not running on your computer is inherently untrusthworthy.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yup. Wish there could be a migration to an actually decent open platform but we’re all hung up with underfunding and personal qualms getting in the way. “I won’t use PixelFed because it doesn’t have a dark mode” is a literal comment I have seen from a Lemmy user.

Ridiculous patterns of behavior on both sides 😭

[-] TotallynotJessica 9 points 2 weeks ago

Other people aren't going to RedNote for political reasons. I'm not going to RedNote because I was never into TikTok.

I'm barely into YouTube, and I have no desire to jump back into short form algorithm driven stuff after a decade away from that noise. Deleting most socials as teen was the correct move. I only missed out on connecting with people I already knew.

Feeds are the bane of my existence. I don't even look at my Lemmy feed. Instead, I check on individual communities and sort by new. Communities being smaller is an advantage for me.

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 82 points 2 weeks ago

From what I've seen, a lot of queer people are afraid to be themselves there. Some may even experience backlash and threats of violence for being LGBTQIA. There's a lot of hostility to us across that entire nation tbh.

On top of that, there is constant scrutiny with mass state surveillance. Queer and POC may be silenced or even face imprisonment for expressing themselves. And don't forget that nation's concentration camps, genocide, torture of political prisoners, and barring people who don't toe the party line from residency and citizenship.

Oh wait, that isn't Red Note. That's the USA and my small town.

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago

I mean…that’s both vampiric superpowers. China and the US.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 15 points 2 weeks ago

There's no such thing as a benevolent state, to be honest. Nations and borders only divide and subject us. Every day, I feel more sure that we need to build communities in spite of states and to do what we can to disrupt and abolish them, so thank you for mentioning this glaring example.

However, I will say when we in the US point at China, we've got three fingers pointing back at us. Pretty hypocritical of us, and largely racist.

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[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago

Oh wait, that isn't Red Note. That's the USA and my small town.

Damn u got me at the first half ngl

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 19 points 2 weeks ago

BWAHA you had me in the first half ngl 😆😆

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav 21 points 2 weeks ago

You might appreciate this.

This guy asked people on Red Note if it's ok to be gay, and I laughed at the response:

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago

SLSKSKSKSKSJDHD

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[-] jia_tan 58 points 2 weeks ago

Cringe app

cringe post

cringe everything

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 24 points 2 weeks ago

skill issue

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[-] Fleur_@lemm.ee 45 points 2 weeks ago

Are these posts ads?

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 51 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes I am being payed by the CCP to promote lesbianism

(sarcasm. the CCP is hatefully repressive to queer identities.)

[-] bigschnitz@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

Suggesting that the CCP is open to letting lesbians live their life seems pretty surreal after what happened to Naomi Wu. It's shocking how quickly the dust settled on that.

Though to anyone trying to encourage discontent to westerners with socially liberal beliefs, it's a pretty helpful narrative to push.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 weeks ago

yes. the CCP is homophobic to a repressive and violent degree. i would never suggest otherwise. and you are lying about me to say i am.

this post is about an app i am seeing queer people hang out on without much apparent censorship. you are having trouble exercising your listening skills.

[-] bigschnitz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

With the edits your post comes across a lot less like astroturfing. I'm not sure that skepticism of the intent of anonymous users on social media is "trouble with listening skills" or cause for offense - we should all be aware malicious players want to influence us in different ways.

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[-] ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

(sarcasm. the CCP is hatefully repressive to queer identities.)

And yet, here you are, making this post.

Would you be making a post giving trump props if an occasion happened where he was the broken clock that happened to be right that one time? No? Then what are you doing here? (I don't need you response, this is something you should be asking yourself)

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 2 weeks ago

You’re getting my response anyway, ready?

Would you be making a post giving trump props…?

Does Trump own TikTok? Instagram? No. So I would not give Trump props when TikTok or Instagram exhibit good behaviors.

I am giving props to RedNote for the space it is allowing for queer voices.
Fuck Trump.
Fuck the CCP.

That’s it. You gotta engage your active listening skills more brother. ❤️

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[-] lolola 41 points 2 weeks ago

I've been getting some major astroturfing vibes around here lately.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 16 points 2 weeks ago

sinophobia so real that people going to see whats going on and reporting back looks like astroturfing to you

careful homie, i understand your mindset but it can lead dangerous places

[-] socsa@piefed.social 29 points 2 weeks ago

As someone who speaks the language (poorly) and has been several times and has family in China, I can concur this post feels a bit cringe.

China is not a champion of LGBT rights. It's tolerated in the cities, but if that's the thing you care about most then the west in quite a bit farther ahead on the issue in general.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 weeks ago

I agree but you should not equivocate “cringe” with “astroturfing.” Astroturfing is a real and malicious thing. I’m just posting stuff I have seen people be adamant cannot possibly exist.

I would never say the CCP is a champion of LGBT rights as I have repeated throughout this post but that message clearly didn’t make it all the way up everyone’s high horses.

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Well whoever said CCP will censor LGBT content doesn't know much about the CCP.

On the other hand try posting anything critical about the Chinese government...

[-] Batman@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

I'm gay for tiananmen square.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 9 points 2 weeks ago

weirdchamp but aight 🤨

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[-] nialv7@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

i have to admit it is quite magnificent.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Chinese writer sentenced to 10 years in prison for homoerotic book

A Chinese novelist has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for writing and distributing homoerotic novels, provoking widespread debate online over the severity of her sentence.

The female writer, surnamed Liu, but more commonly known by her internet pseudonym Tianyi, was arrested in 2017 following the success of her novel “Occupy,” according to reports in Chinese state media.

The book was described by police in East China’s Anhui Province as depicting “obscene sexual behavior between males” set to themes of “violence, abuse and humiliation.”

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[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 2 weeks ago

Is LGBTQ+ content not restricted/shadow banned there? 31 hearts and 1 comment isn't really a lot.

If Twitter took away the restricted flag, would anyone have known typing "cisgender" is blacklisted? Most corporate social media don't publish what is or isn't restricted.

Plus China officially encourages """"traditional"""" gender roles since their demographic crisis will come crashing down soon, with LGBTQ+ centers and clubs being shut down by the government.

[-] Vibi 16 points 2 weeks ago

I was wondering this as well and have been incredibly surprised how different the landscape is from my assumptions. Their algorithm very quickly understood my identity and preferences and started mixing in a good amount of wlw content with just an overflow of positive comments and engagement. I was also super happy to see creators that I enjoy being welcomed and praised on the platform - creators which 100% of the time have people leave the most unkind comments on their posts. There's one in particular, a man who showcases and slays in his dresses, which I've yet to see one negative comment towards. Time will tell how long things stay this way!

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago

I got Chappel Roan and Sabrina Carpenter content within like 20 minutes of scrolling I felt so at home

[-] istdaslol@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago

People are really naive. I bet maos little red book has a special mode for people on the other side of the great firewall. China wants to look good to create soft power, they don’t want us to see all the tofu buildings collapsing they want us to see a girl living to western standards, not how the average Chinese lives

[-] theoneIno@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

Xi just generated millions of AI Chinese to fool the West, what an elegant move!

Guess you can't see beyond your lifelong propaganda, the truth might hurt sometimes but its necessary

[-] istdaslol@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

He doesnt need to, there are millions creating contant, he just needs to order the company to filter to show "appropiate contant"

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Good question. Here’s one from the same account with 16k likes. Any restrictions on LGBT content is not significantly worse than we already see from Meta and TikTok.

Re: the rest of your comment, yeah fuck the CCP as I said in OP. Just giving credit where due and a lot of people (like yourself) make a couple of (understandable) assumptions that are not backed up by any experience I have had yet.

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[-] shani66@ani.social 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"b-b-but corporation bad!"

No shit people, corporations are badbut some are worse and some are better. Not that that is even the topic of discussion, this is clearly about spaces people exist in.

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[-] hazeebabee@slrpnk.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

It's going to be so interesting seeing how all of this plays out. Will meta succeed in reclaiming their market share? Will a new app take the throne? Will congress just keep banning any app that is too popular and not under the american oligarchys control? Will trump somehow leverage this into him being the one to save tiktok? Will loops UI ever be good enough to compete? Only time will tell.

What a strange timeline we live in lol

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[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 16 points 2 weeks ago

Out of every lesbian manwha I read all of them were Chinese