Can you imagine a PS5, Switch or XBOX game that required a Steam account in order to play?
Half Life required an account at a time no game required accounts. Most PC games of the 7th gen required GFWL, so much so, without piracy, many are unplayable today. Microsoft still does this I.E. Doom Eternal where you're required to enter a Bethesda account or the absolute shitshow minecraft has become. Most rockstar games on PC of the last decade required rockstar launcher, including steam releases.
Other than GFWL, there has been very little pushback on these types of requirements. Funnily enough, sony is the last one to arrive and the one that gets the most pushback... People are weird.
I mostly agree with you but third party launchers and accounts have gotten pushback on PC for a long time.
Half Life required an account at a time no game required accounts
Not disagreeing but it was at least a first-party account and there was a legitimate purpose. PS has none.
Not disagreeing but what was the legitimate purpose other than growing a platform with a popular game? You know, same as Sony.
The Steam Account is used to distribute updates etc. to the client. The PSN account has no such advantage, it doesn't help me. How are they the same?
The only difference between the two is that you despise PlayStation, that’s why you can’t see your bias. Steam gamers think the billionaire who runs steam is THEIR billionaire so they somehow think the company is moral, it isn’t. Steam is every bit as unethical and the rest
Are you a Sony shareholder, or a small child? I clearly formulated my criticism: Steam offers me something (downloading of patches, Linux compatibility etc.), while PSN only offers incompatability. They deliberately make their games harder to play than necessary without giving me anything in return.
Would you like to take your ridiculous straw man back and try again?
How do you call my argument a straw man while calling me a shill for having a differing opinion than you? You see how corrupted your thinking is right?
Do you not know what straw man means?
Well, you strawmanned me by saying I "despise PlayStation". This is a lie, but it's obviously the only way your argument makes any sense.
Now the question is: why do you strawman people who criticize Sony? I see two options: you are a small child who can't handle his favorite console manufacturer being criticized, or you are monetarily benefit from doing so. Everything else would be incredibly sad. So, which is it?
There were often patches for games that you could download from the developers website a the time. Yes, it is a bit more convenient to have a client that will automatically do that for you but it wasn’t necessary.
People hated steam at the time because it took like 80mb of ram when 256mb of total system ram was not uncommon.
And how does the developer verify that you actually bought the game before letting you download the patch? Through an account.
Sure, there were reasons to dislike Steam. That does not mean that PSN account requirements and Steam account requirements are comparable. Unless you can show me where I can use the PSN account to download updates for the games without requiring a Steam account?
The patch was only the files related to the patch not the entire game. It varied but often the developers required a cd key and the disk to be in your drive in order to play the game. Most often patches were just on the open web free to download. There were counter-examples to this but they were the exception rather than the norm.
They’re not comparable now. They are comparable for steam early on to PSN now. PlayStation may be planning to eventually launch a competitor to steam. You would then need a PSN account to download updates.
I’m not defending it I don’t want yet another launcher I have to have on my PC or another account I have to keep up with. I probably won’t buy this game unless it has a steep discount and there is a no PSN patch.
I know how patches used to work, I used to download them myself. But those were times with far smaller file sizes! Today patches can easily reach 20-100 GB. That's not just expensive, it's also not something companies want to provide for free for pirates. So patches would be locked behind an account no matter what.
That still leaves the criticism of Steam not being necessary as a running program, and it's a valid criticism. But PSN doesn't give me any advantage, while Steam at least increases convenience. PSN only has downsides for me. That's why it's not a comparable requirement.
Just went to login to my dedicated minecraft Microsoft account just for it to force me to add a secondary email before it would log me in. Enshitification at it's finest.
I think if I wanted to play EA games online back in the day on PS3 I had to make an account and sign in and I remember how annoying as shit it was trying to type in a password and email with a controller.
I could, it's not that difficult to imagine. Lots of companies have mandated their own account systems for console games, too.
Bunch of pc games out there force you to set up an account with the studio, what are you talking about? This studio happens to be Sony. If HL3 ever releases for console i guarantee that you will need a steam email
If Valve would release Deadlock for any of those... they would need to.
Well that makes TWO things I won't be getting.
Honestly, part 2 was so poorly done that you're really not missing out on anything. You remember how violence oriented part 1 was? Do you remember how there were cutscenes that depicted violent actions that you had literally no control over? Do you by any chance recall the final events in part 1 that require you to take violent actions in order to progress the game in literally any perceivable way?
Well part 2 drukkmann says, STOP THAT! Violence never solved anything idiot!!! Unless you didn't play part 2 at all... In which case, I suppose violence was the only way, and it solves everything. Part 1 drukkmann literally couldn't tell the story without assurance that you used violence.
"And why was violence important to the narrative and success of part 1," Jan asked...
Probably safe to assume every new PS title will.
Another game to not buy.
Yep. No thanks. Games without online components should have one account to verify and store a copy of the game including saves, etc. That is Steam in this case. If you buy through Steam other accounts should be optional when you want to play online. I'm through with this garbage for offline games.
Curious how the version you download for free doesn't have this requirement...
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Is anyone surprised by this? Really? At this stage, after we've seen the lenghts that Sony has went to stuff PSN account requirements on even their offline singleplayer games?
Otger than needing to sign into an additional account, why does everyone hate this so much? Halo makes me sign into a Microsoft account, but i havent seen nearly the amount of hate for that. Is there somerhing worse about PSN accounts? Not trying to start shit, just wondering what I'm missing.
Otger than needing to sign into an additional account, why does everyone hate this so much?
Halo makes me sign into a Microsoft account, but i havent seen nearly the amount of hate for that.
That's because it's old. Everyone complained about it when it came out with this requirement as well. The frogs have all been boiled on that front.
Not just leaking data, outright installing rootkits.
Sony music, in the CD music era.
Not good or acceptable, but also kind of lime blaming Amazon pharmacy for something azon logistics does. Could not be a more different part of the company.
Everything you listed is true of all the other companies frankly. That's just how it is. As you said, the frogs have been boiled, and Sony is almost the last to do this now. They need the analytics info all their competitors have, ostensibly. Sadly this is the landscape we are in.
Games that assume I want to play online or be "connected" are the problem. I don't want any of that. I want to pay for a game with my Steam or Microsoft account and play it offline with that one service I bought it from. At first it was annoying to make one new account but OK well not that bad. Now every developer has some sort of required "get connected". F that. It provides no benefit only added barriers for a game they should be happy I even bought in the first place. Online games sure I get it, mixed should be optional but offline. No absolutely not.
It's unnecessary data harvesting.
Yeah I think we all saw that coming after God of War.
Already have one.
And rockstar games require a rockstar account. Ubisoft requires an Ubisoft account. Microsoft requires an Xbox account ... For single player games too, at least one login.
Sony is late to the game but this complaint rings hollow to me when we only target them.
They all want the social side, and to various degrees add social and other features. With varying degrees of success too.
I always play Doom Eternal offline so I don’t have to sign into some bullshit account I don’t want.
They’re free to make you know
One big issue is not every country is allowed to make a PS account, which essentially region locks a singleplayer only game. It should be optional, at least.
It's also free to not force paying customers to do it you know.
Are you new to capitalism and corporations?
Free? I couldn't pay to do this in my country
I will refuse to buy any game that is PSN or windows only.
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