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[-] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

Huh. I never even considered the possibility of putting SteamOS on a laptop/desktop... I have a spare engineering laptop sitting around, might try it.

[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 9 points 16 hours ago

I completely advocate for it. It costs you nothing but time and disk space. You can still run games from other sources with only slight tinkering.

Open source is so beneficial for humanity and for gaming there aren't really downsides for tons and tons of games.

You lose all the spyware from microsoft, the incessant mandatory patching and upgrade notifications and loads of other things that provide no value.

Nothing stops you from being able to dual boot windows or run it in a VM either.

[-] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

AFAIK, VM gaming is still a pain in the ass. You need to jump through a lot of hoops for any kind of GPU passthrough.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 15 hours ago

I thought that was still not officially available, only forks or rebuilds of sorts?

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

They have to publish kernel edits,

As far as I am aware it’s just Arch with gamescope though so you aren’t gaining anything from using SteamOS 3 compared to a typical Linux build

[-] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 167 points 1 day ago

Boots up gaming PC

Windows: "YOU IN DANGER ZONE! NEED WINDOWS 11! BUY NEW PC U SCRUB!!!111"

Load up Steam

Steam: "Hey, I see MS are being assholes - click here to install SteamOS instead"

Reboot PC

Millions of people never run windows again

I'm dreaming but that would be amazing. That would make this the year of the Linux desktop. C'mon GabeN, make it happen!

[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Are you sure you don't want to create a microsoft ID? Microsoft believes that you should only trust them with all of your data and credentials. They promise they won't hand over your information to the government unless the government serves them a subpoena or has an agreement to access the data that is lawful or they detect something they have been asked to report.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

Well you wouldn't mind the government just checking unless you're a criminal. /s

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago
[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

I see people railing against it so often on here I tried not using it to see from their point of view for once. It appears to have been unwise

[-] ploot 4 points 16 hours ago

You forgot the endless pages of trick questions you have to periodically step through to get into Windows. One wrong move and you owe Microsoft money every month.

[-] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 3 points 16 hours ago

If Linux had better nvidia support I would swap in a heart beat.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago

I have been running OpenSUSE with nVidia for 7 years. No issues here.

[-] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 3 points 16 hours ago

AMD's RT performance is getting quite close to Nvidia. Each generation gets them closer and closer.

CUDA will always be proprietary but there's a ton of resources being put against alternative solutions.

[-] ximtor@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago

Using Pop for almost 2 years on nvidia laptop and pc, no problem, whats the issue?

...Ok no problem is a lie, but it wasn't GPU related problems..

[-] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 1 points 7 hours ago

I had issues with my specific hardware combo of i9 14900k and 4090 and multi display issues that windows doesn’t seem to have. Though that could just be my ignorance.

[-] J4g2F@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Depending on the issue it may be fixed now that Wayland is better supported on Nvidia.

X.org always had issues running multiple displays with different refresh rate for example.

But don't know your exact problem of course. May be something different. I think there will be some big leaps made with nkv (the new open source drivers for Nvidia cards), but it gonna take some time.

You can always try something like pop_os on a live usb. They have the Nvidia drivers installed and use Wayland I think.

[-] ximtor@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

I had an issue with 2 4k screens through my dock, but that was apparently my docks fault.

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 28 points 1 day ago

Things which are holding this back

  • Collaboration with OEMs to provide SteamOS OTTB (Lenovo is an exception)
  • Nvidia support. Most gamers use Nvidia GPU unfortunately
  • Certain industry-standard software which don't have a Linux port. PSA: Most people don't want to learn alt software. Johnny Mainstream is scared of new softwares. This cannot be changed
  • End-users suffer from choice paralysis and Linux offers endless choice. Maybe SteamOS can help.

What we know so far, SteamOS won't be a general purpose OS, so it might not support every random piece of h/w.

We might not have the year of the Linux Desktop, but we can expect 2025-2026 to be the year of the Linux handheld.

SRC: Linux fanboy for the last decade

[-] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Nvidia works flawlessly in my system, didn't have to tweak anything.

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

That would be a massive headache because you'd have to make it work on any hardware. And if you bork your users' PCs you're in for a really bad time. It would be much better to come up with a new Steam machine.

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

i mean… any hardware is kinda just a matter of time imo

linux already works with more hardware than windows does, and often more reliably - not some of the complex stuff required for gaming of course, but again… matter of time. it’s not important until it’s important and then it really kicks off

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Big old citation needed there.

Supports more hardware... But not gaming hardware... And not industrial hardware which is often windows only.. But def more...

[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 57 seconds ago

the point is that the architecture and development style of linux provides for a very robust and reliable platform to develop hardware for

gaming is a VERY new thing on linux, so it’s not at all surprising that support is in its infancy… but you look at things that linux has been doing basically since the internet has existed: servers, and hardware support is unmatched

… and there’s way more server hardware than there are most other categories of hardware

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 79 points 1 day ago

I hope that SteamOS finds more of its way into desktop computers. Sure, I don't trust Valve; just like I don't trust any other corporation. But it's like fighting a big cancer with a smaller meta-cancer, if they hurt Windows/Microsoft I'm happy.

Plus its current relationship with GNU/Linux is symbiotic.

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[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Microsoft recently announced a handheld for Xbox. They’re going to half ass this they way they did with windows phone.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/08/xbox-handheld-details-emerge-ces-microsoft-talks-windows-integration-22321335/

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

If it ran SteamOS, I'd have died laughing.

[-] __nobodynowhere@startrek.website 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They are always late to the party and they have an image problem

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 56 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I don't think Microsoft has ever understood or cared how much pc gaming has added value to windows.

Which makes the strategic defeat here of failing to understand they are fucked longterm all the more satisfying.

Microsoft understood in the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q

St. John recognized the resistances for game development under Windows would be a limitation, and recruited two additional engineers, Craig Eisler and Eric Engstrom, to develop a better solution to get more programmers to develop games for Windows. The project was codenamed the Manhattan Project, like the World War II project of the same name, and the idea was to displace the Japanese-developed video game consoles with personal computers running Microsoft's operating system.

To get more developers on board DirectX, Microsoft approached id Software's John Carmack and offered to port Doom and Doom 2 from MS-DOS to DirectX, free of charge, with id retaining all publishing rights to the game. Carmack agreed, and Microsoft's Gabe Newell led the porting project. The first game was released as Doom 95 in August 1996, the first published DirectX game. Microsoft promoted the game heavily with Bill Gates appearing in ads for the title.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

[...]codenamed the Manhattan Project, like the World War II project of the same name, and the idea was to displace the Japanese[...]

a bit on the nose huh

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Yeah, Microsoft has had brief moments like this but systematically they have behaved consistently like the only thing that matters to them is enshittifying the work environment of office workers.

The examples you gave are interesting precisely because they are a brief departure from the norm.

Microsoft made Flight Simulator before they made Windows, so I'm sure they must have cared about games more during that time period.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago

I am not saying microsoft hasn't dipped their toes in to pc gaming but for a company of that size that is really the most you can say of their efforts compared to the immense solidity, staying power and loyalty pc gaming embued in windows for younger people growing up with computers (not saying this category of people liked windows just that they valued it).

This is ALL gone and microsoft is about to figure out that while business tools are their main industry the supposedly impenetrable moat they thought that gave them was far more a byproduct of a generation of nerds growing up pooring time into windows before they ever even entered the workforce than it was a dynamic of their dominance in corporate business software.

Whoopsie!

Sometimes empires fall. It doesn't mean it's for the worse https://youtu.be/A17oUv0E-N4

I know it's correct but reading "Microsoft's Gabe Newell" actually made my eye twitch.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 20 hours ago

Did you not know other people had jobs before their current?

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