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[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

That's partially because like many other words and names (just consider Isis, an important goddess of ancient egypt), "socialism" to most people means the type of absolute control that communist countries usually feature. But of course, as a word/concept, socialism is just the application of socialist policies, not even remotely alluding to some absolute end goal or so. And naturally as a part of society except a tiny minority at the top, most people would benefit from more socialist policies.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago

Socialism isn't really as simple as "socialist policies." Such a character classification into binaries like "Capitalist policies" and "Socialist policies" doesn't make much sense, Capitalism and Socialism describe much larger systems and what drives an economy. Social programs are good, yes, and Socialism is a good thing too, but they aren't the same.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

Posts like this one are chasing people away from Lemmy.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 14 hours ago

Lemmy doesn't need people to "succeed," it already does its job. It's not a commercial product to be profited from. Further, you aren't going to be able to chase away the Socialists from Lemmy, the structure is appealing to Leftists and its developed and maintained by Communists.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 20 hours ago

Good, we don't want that kind of person.

[-] mr_scrawley@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago
[-] insaan@leftopia.org 24 points 1 day ago

Strong "I can fix him" energy out there.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Survivors bias. People in Russia or China don't appear to complain about their systems because... they can't.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 14 hours ago

Modern Russia is Capitalist, the Socialist system was looted and sold for parts over 30 years ago. As for the PRC, people don't complain as much as they do in the US because over 90% of the citizens of China support the CPC.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 20 hours ago

https://redsails.org/anticommunism-and-wonderland/

In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

not an american, I grew up in the Soviet empire, don't care about your dumb walls of propaganda. Try again.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago

It must be so easy being a reactionary ultra-nationalist like you: you Just assume anything that confirms your pre-existing beliefs is true and anything that challenges them is propaganda.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago

Westerners continue to be the most brainwashed people on earth

[-] menemen@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Do they think Russia is a communist country?

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 20 hours ago
[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago
[-] menemen@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago
[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Nope, grew up in Soviet occupied eastern europe. Fuck that, I'll take flawed capitalism over whatever torture and misery was that thanks. You are free to disagree more politely tho.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 20 hours ago

Ah yes, the classic "I was born in Poland in 1989, I think I know a little bit more about communism than you, buddy!" style of reactionary westerner.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Whatever makes you feel better about your flavor of brain wash my friend. At the end of the day I'd rather have flawed democracy and capitalism than whatever else is on the table. At least there's a path forward here.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago

Capitalism and democracy are mutually incompatible, and the only path under capitalism is "forwards" into ever increasing inequality and poverty.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Honestly, not going to continue with this as clearly we're not going to find any value in this comment thread so have a good day and I hope you feel better :)

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