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[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Blaming "capitalism" for all of society's problems is about as useful as blaming God or some gremlins. For example, if you're in the USA and you blame "capitalism" for your problems, then what are you gonna do about it? There is no path to change this society from capitalism to socialism or communism. We have entire armies of military and police who will ensure that the status quo stays in place. You also can't vote your way out of this. No candidates advocating such changes will be elected.

The best thing we can do is aim for better regulation of the systems that have allowed for the oligarchy to take it all over. Which won't be easy or quick at all but is at least somewhat possible.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 months ago

the systems that have allowed for the oligarchy to take it all over

They didn't take it over, they created it. The lack of democratic influence isn't a bug, it's a feature. They have been laying to you all your life!

[-] pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 months ago

The path has been laid out by Mr Luigi

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago

Look, you can have nuance or you can have performative outrage, you don't get to have both. Lemmy has made its bed

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

there are paths you're just not willing to consider them.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

I think they meant, like, practical actionable paths, not like 'I'm playing a Sim and everyone does what I say'. Perhaps they were trying to think about what people could do in the real world that we actually live in

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

all paths are practical and actionable, if you take action. but thats a you issue not a me or others issue. someone recently showed you a path to take that is effective and simple to do on your own. you're just not willing to consider it.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

Your definition of practical and mine differ. For me, a path that makes my life considerably worse is not a practical path. I would assume the same is true for you, you're just unable to admit it.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

na you're just making assumptions instead of reading what is actually said. I have not made a statement about what paths I personally support, only that unless you take action personally non-sense about the practicality of a particular idea is self defeating. there are always challenges and struggles the point is to surmount them not wallow in self pity. again pointing to a personal issue with the person claiming impracticality. not with the person proposing and ideally taking action on a path.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

I don't see anyone wallowing in self-pity on my side of the fence here, it's a matter of 'violence costs lives' and you don't change a system to one that you prefer and most other people don't without organised and persistent violence

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

uh huh and what side of the fence is that? and what side am I on apparently? and who precisely is wallowing in self pity?

it’s a matter of ‘violence costs lives’ and you don’t change a system to one that you prefer and most other people don’t without organised and persistent violence

uh huh, and who are most people in this situation? because most people seem very fine with mr thompsons death. otherwise the media moguls wouldn't be spending their breath trying to tell people it wasnt okay.

[-] silasmariner@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

who precisely is snowing in self pity

I dunno, you're the one who talked about it. Don't ask me what you mean, lol, not my fault if you don't understand yourself

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

ah sorry 8 days ago. ;) my point about self-pity was in reference to your original assertion about there not being realistic paths forward. didnt mean to imply anyone here was. point was that just because you dont consider a path realistic doesn't mean it isnt.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

So what are you gonna do about it then? In reality.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

as i said you're not willing to consider them as clearly demonstrated by trying to push the responsibility for these issues onto others.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Could it be that you just don't want to admit that you can't do anything about it?

As for me, I don't have any responsibility to push onto others about it. I accept the things that cannot change, and I have adapted to survive in the environment that I live in, and things are going generally well.

[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

No, I just have no interest in dicussing a topic like this with a random on the internet where it won't matter. very different. enjoy your day time being ineffectual.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Likewise, have a great time with your fantasies of revolution or whatever.

[-] DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago

We could have utopia tomorrow. The path to change worldwide is to effect change where you live. If we all started there, then the local changes would spread. People would want what they have locally to work in larger scales. We don't have to call it socialism, capitalism, communism, conservative , liberal, freedom, whatever. Terms are proxy enemies used to make us fear or love based on heuristics. We inherently know what a just world would feel and look like. It's in our nature. If someone has to convince you to override your intuition, then it's shit. Don't look for answers elsewhere. Don't blindly follow anyone. Build the world you want in your heart at home. It will grow out from there. Also, I used to love orange juice as a kid. I drank it from a silly clown cup I got at a performance on ice one time when my parents took me.

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