They absolutely did vote for this and sat on their asses and also didn't vote and voted for this.
Fuck you Americans, you wanted it, now we all get your shitty choices.
Hey man i didn't vote for the assholes
Too damn bad that's not how democracy works. You'll take what the idiots give us.
"The American people did not vote for whatever the hell this is,"
Yeah, actually, they did. Millions of Democrat voters stayed home. Every single state shifted right.
McGovern added, "and you better believe that Democrats will not let Republicans turn the House of Representatives into a rubber stamp for their extremist policies."
You're in the minority party. Republicans have control of all 3 branches of government, and many state governments shifted right.
Simply put, what the fuck are you going to do about it? Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.
Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.
And yet they'll still somehow get blamed for everything that's coming.
No shortage of people that just stupidly (or with an agenda) blame dems for the shitty republicans. People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.
That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.
People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.
More recent example: People on Lemmy continuing to blame the return of Trump on Biden and Harris. Harris wasn't the perfect candidate, so of course the only reasonable thing to do was stay home and let Trump return to power. I mean, Liz Cheney showed up on stage to support her that one time. What else were voters supposed to do? This was all Harris's fault, dammit!
That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.
Bingo. So many donvict supporters pulled this shit when donvict "won" in 2016 - "Obama and Hollywood made me do this. You deserve tRump." And yes, that is totally abuser type of talk.
It is expected that the demons on the right - like Tucker Carlson [1] - will use this kind of talk, but what is so damned infuriating is when the Enlightened Centrists (TM) and the "liberal media" say it as well.
[1] Tucker was saying that at some point, he may have to turn to fascism because of what the left Made Him Do, because "too woke" or something.
The republicans have held the minority many times and obstructed the fuck out of our government. If Dems really care they can do a lot to prevent shit in congress.
We will see how much they actually care in the next 2 years
We will see how much they actually care in the next 2 years
It's a show. The only thing established party leadership cares about on either side is lining their pockets. The longer they keep us arguing about their disfunction, the more they rob from us. One class. Working class.
Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.
Jokes on the Republicans-- Democrats like to watch [their party get effed]. So republicans are giving the democratic leadership exactly what it wants. We win again.
But they did vote for this. Whenever I saw Trump speak, he always emphasized on how he will do tax breaks to the big corps. He never proposed a solution on how to help the working class people.
His idea of "helping the working class" consists of tariffs that don't work the way he says they do and a very likely catastrophic mass deportation program.
And people did vote for those somehow.
Less than half of all eligible voters voted. Yes, non voters essentially voted for Trump but it’s not the same thing as literally voting for and endorsing the dumb demented fat fascist.
The majority of eligible voters are just morons that have been successfully distracted and confused (because they’re so dumb).
There is value in the distinction, even tho that value may be quite small in context
Non voters are even more dumb than Trump voters... at least Trump voters understand the very simple fact that there is power in voting.
but it’s not the same thing as literally voting for and endorsing the dumb demented fat fascist.
In a two party political system it is. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Less than half of all eligible voters voted.
According to Ballotpedia it was 63.7% of eligible voters, which is a very good turnout by US standards.
Still means that only about a third of eligible voters voted for Trump, but, y'know, that's really quite a lot.
His idea on helping working class is blaming it all on immigrants.
A whole lotta dipshits voted for lower egg prices, or stayed home, voted their useless protest vote or outright voted for donvict, because "genocide joe" or whatever.
But we are all going to get this instead, I guess. It's not like many normal Americans were not warning them...Gaza and egg prices will be unaffected by donvict, maybe made worse by his fumbling idiocracy.
Biden already said that the US doesn’t recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC. Aaaaand Kamala ran on a pro-fracking platform.
I mean, jfc do you people have the memory of goldfish or were you just not paying attention in the first place? Proud to be one of the 13 million, personally. Have fun voting for Liz Cheney when she runs as a democrat in four years!
Yes. They were flawed.
Explain to me how Trump being President helps the Palestenians or the environment.ve4sus a Bid3n or Harris administration.
Even if their policies were 100% in lockstep on Palestine and the environment (Trump will ABSOLUTELY be worse for both), there's a million other ways in which Trump is worse.
You motherfucers who cast votes for third parties, refused to vote, or really did anything but vote for Harris were signing a fucking suicide pact for the rest of us while pretending you were taking the moral high ground.
Everything that's coming is your fault. All the suffering, death, destruction - all of it. Your hands are bloody. It should keep you up at night, but your heads are so far up your own arrogant asses you no longer smell the shit you've spread.
When you had the choice to put up meaningful opposition to fascism, you chose not to.
Fuck you, now and forever.
I agree with some of what you said here, but I think blaming third party voters is a tired and disingenuous take. I haven't done a deep dive on the numbers, but from what I remember of election day even if every third party voter voted for Kamala she still would've lost.
People who refused to vote ARE a reasonable contribution to the loss, but I still think it's strange to blame the voters in a democratic vote rather than the parties/media who were supposed to create enough impact to make people vote for them in the first place.
Strategic voting is flawed not only in the sense that it's impossible to coordinate a strategy amongst an entire voter base, but also in the sense that it's counting on people to vote for someone who they don't want to vote for.
Thankfully, Biden is at least using his last hours in office to do something useful, like send Israel another $8bn in weapons.
Centrists are getting the policies they want either way (especially the genocide) because they're conservatives. Blaming progressives is just posturing to make sure the next centrist dipshit they saddle us with is even more conservative.
But they did vote for it?
Right? Like, this is who we are, and who we are is stupid and easily manipulated.
They did vote for it and they are going to get what they voted for, good and hard.
Unfortunately, the American people did.
But we didn't. I voted for Harris but I expected this shit to wait until the inauguration to happen unless she won
Unfortunately, a plurality of the electorate disagrees with us.
As for the timing, it's normal for the rules for the incoming Congress to be put into place before the presidential inauguration. It's just abnormal for them to be so... shitty.
yes. yes, they did.
You guys are so fucked lmao
We didnt vote for a bottomless pit of our tax money to fund a racist-far rightwing genocide against Palestinians so Israelis can steal their land, either.
But here we are.
McGovern is cashing AIPAC's checks and voting how they say, so he knows exactly how this stuff works-- No need to play stupid. Eat a bag of ass, Rep. McGovern.
They actually did vote for this with open eyes
Welcome to the kingdom of north America. United States is dead, this is the new fiefdom, and king Elon and chancellor Trump don’t give a fuck what we think or want.
The responses here reaffirm to me how sweet this setup is for the rich. You've got two parties owned by the rich, with one willing to give a few minor concessions to the peasants, and the masses are stuck between them, but you better vote for the somewhat less bad party or else it's all your fucking fault that everything is bad. Seriously, is the strategy to demand the majority vote for a single party until the end of time? You've got to see how that's impossible under this system. It's a way to shift the blame off the broken system and to make it an issue of individual responsibility. Reminds me of people who bash the poor as lazy people who just need to "get a job".
They did with absolute certainty.
Most Americans did vote for this. Now enjoy what you sow.
Oh yes, they did. They voted for propaganda. Everything else is gravy.
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