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IT workers aren't "Tech Bros". Real Tech Bros are usually people with zero knowledge trying to profit from IT workers. They use them to build their scams.
I wonder when the magards will realize they've been played for the fools they are. It would be funny - and a little bit reassuring - if they massively turned against their racehorse before Jan 20...
The fact that the pendulum could swing so far so fast is an indication of how fucking long and exhausting the next 4 years will be. I'm too old for this shit.
Actually it's an indication of how desperate Americans are, or how stupid they are. Because nobody with good prospects in life and a working brain votes for Trump.
Probably a combination of both...
It's an indication of both stupidity and also desperation. Remember, this isn't happening just in the US, either. It's occurring worldwide, unfortunately.
Don't forget the latter causes the former. Literally: https://www.princeton.edu/news/2013/08/29/poor-concentration-poverty-reduces-brainpower-needed-navigating-other-areas-life
I had experience where I nearly fell for a common scam when I was in a desperate situation. At the time, I had no knowledge of that particular scam and was too rushed to find a solution to think critically. Luckily I was too dumb to even be properly scammed before someone who knew was able to stop me, but still.
I can believe the same happened on a mass scale. Desperate people being fed lies on an easy answer echoing each other, not realizing they’re being scammed.
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The post-mortem is still being done but there are real issues that voters had that are important that the DNC address.
The numbers seem to indicate voters simply did not turn out, not that voters changed their vote to Trump.
They are also to blame, yes, but the real issue is that the DNC fails to learn the right lesson from election losses. And this one was a doozy. We'll be lucky if we get another election.
If we do, I can guarantee you we'll have another right of center candidate that smiles and nods at workers rights while getting absolutely smashed by corporate interests.
And we'll be here again, begging people to vote for the better of two candidates because this election is more important than the last. All the while Republicans continue to shit out turd candidates.
It's worth remembering that Trump's popularity with voters allowed him to drag the Trump-hating establishment Republican party kicking and screaming into his orbit, and to eventually bend it to his will. It is possible for the same thing to happen with the Democrats, but no similarly compelling candidate has emerged. It'd have to be someone the rank and file voters can unify behind, in a way that can't be ignored by the donor class that runs the party.
H1-B visa holders are essentially indentured servants. If they lose their job, they get deported and then it's back to living 12 to a room in Bangalore.
I'm honestly surprised that Elon isn't just pushing that angle as a positive.
For real, he could live cam their miserable existence and say, "See how these minorities suffer for American profits!"
Then the fireworks go off and an eagle screams. The audience cheers!
Not just H1-B, nearly all issued work visas are like that.
Tying a visa to an employer is not indentured servitude.
You call it whatever you want to call it. "You work at this specific company or we kick you out of the country" is as exploitive and ultra-capitalistic as you can get.
It can be, but isn't a guarantee. All countries do this to an extent, some do it better than others. You calling it the wrong thing trying to drive a point home with hyperbole isn't helpful to anyone.
"All countries" do not have the U.S. H1-B visa program, which is what we are discussing.
All countries have some sort of work for visa program, which by itself is not indentured servitude. And given there are non ultra-capitalistic countries that also have it, the practice is also not "as far as one can get".
Hell, to group the US 's visa program in with the ones that literally end with slavery (and are actually like what you described) is just poor form.
Again, we are specifically talking about one country's visa program and you are downplaying the draconian nature of it with a lot of dodging and whataboutism.
I'm not doing either of those things. You made a claim by misunderstanding terms for hyperbole. I said that your claim isn't true. You backed up your claim with more hyperbole. I rebutted that with how it's standard practice globally and even in within a larger scope is a more reasonable standard.
QED, the US visa program is not indentured servitude, by colloquial or exact definitions, and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch. These are not whataboutism or dodging. They directly address your statements.
and not ultra-capitalistic by any stretch
Sorry, no. "Work at this specific company or you're deported" is very much an ultra-capitalist position. I have no idea why you think otherwise.
That isn't the rule for h1b visas.
If you want to simplify it, then it'd be If you want to live and work in a country, you have to be sponsored by a company. If you're laid off, you have 60 days to find another sponsor
It absolutely is.
One of the largest downsides to an H-1B visa is that your immigration status is dependent on fulfilling the terms of your employment. If your employment ends for one reason or another, you will likely lose your lawful status. If you remain in the country without lawful status, you will start to build unlawful presence––too much unlawful presence will bar you from legally entering the U.S.
That happens if you get laid off or fired, and if you just up and quit because the conditions are too horrible:
Some of the most drastic consequences of losing your job may come if you are the person who terminates your employment. If you voluntarily quit your job, the employer will no longer be required to pay for the cost of your transportation back to your previous country of residence.
When you quit, your sponsored status will end immediately and you will begin accruing days of unlawful presence.
https://www.lawfirm1.com/non-immigrant-visas/h-1b-visas-employee-quits/
Is it that you didn't look this up yourself or did you think I wouldn't bring receipts?
That doesn't contradict what I said? It matches everything I've said as well. And there's a 60 day grace period generally speaking. Can you define and name any similar with indentured servitude?
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Me: Sorry, no. “Work at this specific company or you’re deported” is very much an ultra-capitalist position. I have no idea why you think otherwise.
You: That isn’t the rule for h1b visas.
Link: "If your employment ends for one reason or another, you will likely lose your lawful status. If you remain in the country without lawful status, you will start to build unlawful presence––too much unlawful presence will bar you from legally entering the U.S." and also "When you quit, your sponsored status will end immediately and you will begin accruing days of unlawful presence."
You: That doesn’t contradict what I said?
It literally contradicts what you said because it literally says you have to work at a specific company or you're deported.
Which one of us is blind here? Because I don't think it's me.
Also, down votes aren't supposed to be for people who are correcting you (or people you disagree with 😘)
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No, but it does allow abuse. I've worked at places where the h1-b wages were lower than market rate cause they can't really leave (they can, but finding another sponsor isn't easy or without risks).
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“Tech slaves apply here”
I shouldn't be a hole in the concrete hacked away with a pickaxe ... it's a neatly installed steel door with electronic access
And they put an explosive collar on you when you go through with your H1-B visa.
This cartoon is incomplete. There should be an indication that Elon FIRED the qualified Americans first. The GOP is such a joke. Every dumbass who voted for Trump deserves to lose their job and get replaced by cheap, foreign labor.
MAGA crowd are mostly below H1B standards.
Nah Trump is down there with a second hole saying "gardeners and maids apply here", while the wall is "guarded" by a redneck with a MAGA hat.
In reality, trump can't do 13 different things associated with this image.
Trumpty Dumpty.
If it wasn’t likely to bite me so hard in the ass (middle-aged, senior high paid US tech worker), I would be loving the schadenfreude. Instead, some days I can feel the target forming on my back.
the other side is that H1-B visa holders are more vulnerable to the whims of bosses. they will come here and be treated worse because of the threat of losing their work visa and being sent home unless they find another business owner willing to sponsor the legal responsibilities of dealing with H1-B visas.
The only thing that still makes sense is to find entertainment in dismantling federal institutions by electing the most dumb outrageous corrupt criminal available. Religion and racism are also a part of the picture but most people don’t take that so seriously.
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