I was given a "Nest Hub" by a family member, I'm very privacy conscious. What can I do with this thing? : asklemmy

[-] TheAlbatross 152 points 5 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 43 points 5 months ago

Yeah. I already informed them I don't feel comfortable with it in the house. But I'm also the type to use TOR on all my devices. So I don't know how paranoid that came off as.

I think I am going to try to trace down where they got it from. I'm thinking Walmart so, they may take it without a receipt I hope.

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 30 points 5 months ago

Best to sell it. Since you use Tor you’re probably already on a watchlist

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 7 points 5 months ago

How so?

[-] necrobius@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Didn't you know? Only criminals use Tor! \s

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I just prefer it to not get pre-aggrigated results.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago

The Snowden leaks revealed that simply subscribing to Linux Journal was enough to put you in a list for enhanced monitoring.

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago

Well. Shit

[-] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 months ago

I’ve heard this a lot - is it just a common joke in privacy circles, or is anyone using Tor/Tails actually likely to be on a list?

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don’t really know what I’m talking about tbh, but my understanding is the more unique you make yourself, the easier you are to identify. For example, as soon as you use an ad blocker, your browser fingerprint becomes less unique because your average person doesn’t use an ad blocker. Even fewer people use Tor. So if someone knows you are using Tor, then they know you are 1 of maybe 100,000 people instead of millions (idk if those numbers are accurate, but you get the point).

That being said, Tor does do a pretty good job of making you blend into all the other Tor users.

But what I was talking about initially was mostly your ISP identifying your Tor traffic. So you use a VPN, but again you are now more unique than someone not using a VPN, even if your traffic is more encrypted.

[-] MangoPenguin 4 points 5 months ago

Its pretty likely to be the case, using tor makes you stand out significantly.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

The thing with gifts is to thank them for their intent, even if you tell them why you're not going to keep the item.

If you don't succeed in returning it, you might also consider giving it to someone with a movement disability, for whom the assistance might outweigh the privacy issue.

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 8 points 5 months ago

They are fantastic for the disabled. Everyone I know whonis disabled has the Amazon ones for some reason.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

There is a stereo microphone and a camera in that thing. What good would Tor do in that case? That data would still make its way to google, unless you can root the whole thing and put a custom OS on it.

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago

I'm not running TOR on the nest. That would be dumb. I'm mentioning this is coming from a whole other end of technology. I like privacy. Google is not very private.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago

oh ok i thought you were considering tunneling that things traffic through tor somehow

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 2 points 5 months ago

No, because the data would still need to find a way to google services

[-] bradboimler@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

They have microphones. They don't have cameras.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh i thought it did the motion recognition with a camera, but it actually uses a type of radar.

https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/10388741?hl=en

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

I don't know if that's better or worse

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 33 points 5 months ago

Google owns Nest. Personally, I don’t use Google products due to their incredibly invasive ToS.

https://tosdr.org/en/service/217

[-] locuester@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago

That’s what OP already said in the text of their question.

[-] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago

Give it (or sell it) to a person with disabilities. I have a disorder where my joints dislocate constantly, and if it wasn't for my service dog, I would be screwed. The ability of these things to call 911 or other family members is awesome and can be life saving. I've even read about a woman who collapsed down the stairs and turned music up to wake up their partner. Gotta do what you've gotta do.

[-] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

That disorder sounds awful. I've dislocated my shoulder fourteen times but no other joints and not for a long time, but that was bad enough and is still impacting me even though it's been a while.

I'm sorry you have to suffer through that.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Is there any other use for these things? I don't understand the point of owing one, when I already have a phone and a TV running Android. What can these things do that my other devices can't?

[-] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

My grandma loves hers and screams commands at it all day. She has hers hooked up to her lights, to her plant watering thing, it plays music she wants, remembers stuff for her, sets timers and alarms. The fact that she can just talk at it and tell it what to do, instead of using her hands, figuring out apps, and getting up (she's almost 80), makes it pretty beneficial for her.

Though she gets angry when it can't decipher what she wants, so I joke to her, that if/when society gets conquered by AI overlords in the future, they'll probably punish her for abusing and enslaving their ancestors. 😅

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

But again, a phone can already do all of that.

[-] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Let's just say she'd lose her head if it wasn't attached.

[-] TherapyGary 23 points 5 months ago

Looks like it's technically possible to replace the OS, if you wanted to explore that option https://fredericb.info/2022/06/breaking-secure-boot-on-google-nest-hub-2nd-gen-to-run-ubuntu.html

[-] manicdave@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago

It might* be worth trying this and installing home assistant.

*I say might because I just got some IoT stuff on sale and installed home assistant before realising there's nothing useful in home automation except zoned heating. Fun to play with though, I guess.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 5 months ago

Do they live with you? If not, I guess just sell it.

If yes, you're probably as screwed as me.

[-] gila@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

Tell it to shut the fuck up (it works, that's why my grandfather likes it)

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

Idk what input the device has but you may block it via your router and use it as a speaker

[-] Roopappy@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't even trust that. Google devices hard-code DNS and IPs and... I have no evidence or knowledge of it, but I assume that they have some Sidewalk-like ability to communicate directly to other Google devices to get outside the network you want them to be on.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

We keep ours on a window sill behind a curtain. We have to yell at it 3 times to make it work, but it's still better than looking under the couch for the tv remote.

[-] POTOOOOOOOO@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago

I don't have a TV. That's why the nest thing is so odd. It does seem like it would bw fun to tinker around with.

[-] Today@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

It's handy - turn on/off lights, adjust thermostat, set reminders (like to remember cat medicine) or cooking timers. We had the Google one but switched to the Alexa one So i could 'drop in' on my mom and set it to call me if she said HELP.

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